All-Star Feedback On Video At Competions

[Bystander]

Well..., remember that cheer competitions are private events... even though there are hundreds of people in an arena - they are private events run by a business that can make rules that they see fit to protect their product (the a Cheer competition) Most arena events have a no camera rule, as well as the arena itself. It's not the same as using your camera out in a pubic location.

I completely understand that. BUT, you/EPs are allowing still cameras and nixing video because of the money you/EP are trying to make! How about in your next contract with an EP you allow 2 "Gym" photographers to take pictures and video of their teams only? Charge them for the right to do it and you make money for nothing other than allowing the people who pay for the sport to video their own kid!

 

[The Sixth]

Skimming thru the posts here, it appears you have two different customer bases.

One, the original target for performance videos which are an athlete's family members of a single gym. Those looking for holding onto the keepsake/memory of the performance.

And two, with the advances in social media and Internet technology, the fans who are just simply looking for the latest performances not tied to any one gym.

Not sure who mentioned it, but the idea of a streaming membership with an option to purchase a download might appease both bases. However, I'd still be wary of how much business is made up by folks that aren't keen on the "cloud world" we're being pushed to, and still like the comfort of DVD technology. There are still people out there even afraid to make payment transactions on the Internet.

 

[CGAcheer]

A la carte $5 + $1-$5 per performance (based on how many), you pick what you want and get it on the spot ,no frills DVD.

If that's too complicated for a right now delivery, a text when ready as long as its done by the end of awards

As a gym owner I would get my teams and probably their entire divisions and possibly throw in a few other teams that I just want to watch

 

[SEVideo]

Back from a great CHEERSPORT weekend in Charlotte NC... seing a bunch of great ideas here and we are working to implement some of them already! Thanks for the continued feedback.... and here's what we are up against:

A good fast duplication on USB is possible and a la carte ordering we can do right away (as a matter of fact if there are any teams from CHEERSPORT nationals that anyone would like to get as a DVD or HD online please contact us) We can offer that service at any cheer event we film, but it may not always be possible to put it together on the spot and we would have to mail it out. Instant upload in HD quality from professional cameras is not something do-able yet, and it would take a bit of time to put that online as well. We are looking at online delivery on a "pay-per-download" in the week following an event.... realizing that getting them up as quick as possible is they key to the success there.

A major drawback to USB and online downloads from a business standpoint are the ease in "pirating" copies since it is so easy to do... and EVERYONE is doing it. There needs to be an understanding of copy and share rights. Realistically there is some legal , as well as ethical and moral, responsibility of both the person who buys a video and the person who makes their own to use that only for their personal viewing. Making copies to sell, sharing on Youtube or Facebook and any public performance of a video violates U.S. copyright laws. (take a look at them here: http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap11.html ) Those rules apply when you are at a cheer event and use your own camera. Even more precise are the Digital Millennium Copyright laws. (http://www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf )

Our standpoint has been to look the other way, but due to blatant disregard such as a parent or coach filming routines and selling them as well as numerous postings of video on public viewing sites, we have had to change how we deal with it. Again it comes back to the issue of how you use that personal video you take.

 

[SEVideo]

Skimming thru the posts here, it appears you have two different customer bases.

One, the original target for performance videos which are an athlete's family members of a single gym. Those looking for holding onto the keepsake/memory of the performance.

And two, with the advances in social media and Internet technology, the fans who are just simply looking for the latest performances not tied to any one gym.

Not sure who mentioned it, but the idea of a streaming membership with an option to purchase a download might appease both bases. However, I'd still be wary of how much business is made up by folks that aren't keen on the "cloud world" we're being pushed to, and still like the comfort of DVD technology. There are still people out there even afraid to make payment transactions on the Internet.

Yes, I agree. DVDs are still a great "off line" way to view video and we will (probably) never get totally away from those. One of the solutions I hope to find is a way to address the social media users... which I am one of and I completely understand the desire to share and watch online. :)

 

[CGAcheer]

Back from a great CHEERSPORT weekend in Charlotte NC... seing a bunch of great ideas here and we are working to implement some of them already! Thanks for the continued feedback.... and here's what we are up against:

A good fast duplication on USB is possible and a la carte ordering we can do right away (as a matter of fact if there are any teams from CHEERSPORT nationals that anyone would like to get as a DVD or HD online please contact us) We can offer that service at any cheer event we film, but it may not always be possible to put it together on the spot and we would have to mail it out. Instant upload in HD quality from professional cameras is not something do-able yet, and it would take a bit of time to put that online as well. We are looking at online delivery on a "pay-per-download" in the week following an event.... realizing that getting them up as quick as possible is they key to the success there.

A major drawback to USB and online downloads from a business standpoint are the ease in "pirating" copies since it is so easy to do... and EVERYONE is doing it. There needs to be an understanding of copy and share rights. Realistically there is some legal , as well as ethical and moral, responsibility of both the person who buys a video and the person who makes their own to use that only for their personal viewing. Making copies to sell, sharing on Youtube or Facebook and any public performance of a video violates U.S. copyright laws. (take a look at them here: http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap11.html ) Those rules apply when you are at a cheer event and use your own camera. Even more precise are the Digital Millennium Copyright laws. (http://www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf )

Our standpoint has been to look the other way, but due to blatant disregard such as a parent or coach filming routines and selling them as well as numerous postings of video on public viewing sites, we have had to change how we deal with it. Again it comes back to the issue of how you use that personal video you take.

immediate a al carte would be great for me as a coach, so that I could review the performances of our teams as well as those that scored near us, and having it before I left the competition so that I could review it and show the kids at their next practice where their mistakes were and what they can improve on.

 

[wcdad]

Back from a great CHEERSPORT weekend in Charlotte NC... seing a bunch of great ideas here and we are working to implement some of them already! Thanks for the continued feedback.... and here's what we are up against:

A good fast duplication on USB is possible and a la carte ordering we can do right away (as a matter of fact if there are any teams from CHEERSPORT nationals that anyone would like to get as a DVD or HD online please contact us) We can offer that service at any cheer event we film, but it may not always be possible to put it together on the spot and we would have to mail it out. Instant upload in HD quality from professional cameras is not something do-able yet, and it would take a bit of time to put that online as well. We are looking at online delivery on a "pay-per-download" in the week following an event.... realizing that getting them up as quick as possible is they key to the success there.

A major drawback to USB and online downloads from a business standpoint are the ease in "pirating" copies since it is so easy to do... and EVERYONE is doing it. There needs to be an understanding of copy and share rights. Realistically there is some legal , as well as ethical and moral, responsibility of both the person who buys a video and the person who makes their own to use that only for their personal viewing. Making copies to sell, sharing on Youtube or Facebook and any public performance of a video violates U.S. copyright laws. (take a look at them here: http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap11.html ) Those rules apply when you are at a cheer event and use your own camera. Even more precise are the Digital Millennium Copyright laws. (http://www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf )

Our standpoint has been to look the other way, but due to blatant disregard such as a parent or coach filming routines and selling them as well as numerous postings of video on public viewing sites, we have had to change how we deal with it. Again it comes back to the issue of how you use that personal video you take.

Have you looked into placing a watermark or overlay on your video so you would be able to retain credit for the image? That is where the Print Photo World has gone. I will post my images and am ok if some one grabs it and reposts it because it has my watermark.. I get the credit for it as I still own the digital rights.. If some one wants to buy a clear copy I would have no issue as long as I got the photo credit if it was published and it was with in my rights from the event.

 

[SEVideo]

Have you looked into placing a watermark or overlay on your video so you would be able to retain credit for the image? That is where the Print Photo World has gone. I will post my images and am ok if some one grabs it and reposts it because it has my watermark.. I get the credit for it as I still own the digital rights.. If some one wants to buy a clear copy I would have no issue as long as I got the photo credit if it was published and it was with in my rights from the event.

We have done that in the past, and still an option, but found that people were able to look past the watermark. Video is a bit different from pictures ( key words " a bit" ) in how it's perceived by the consumer. (imho) :)

 

[CoachTamara]

We have done that in the past, and still an option, but found that people were able to look past the watermark. Video is a bit different from pictures ( key words " a bit" ) in how it's perceived by the consumer. (imho) :)

So true. I won't buy a picture with a big fat watermark on it, but I don't care when it's a video. I just want to see the routine.

 

[ScottyB]

A major drawback to USB and online downloads from a business standpoint are the ease in "pirating" copies since it is so easy to do... and EVERYONE is doing it. There needs to be an understanding of copy and share rights. Realistically there is some legal , as well as ethical and moral, responsibility of both the person who buys a video and the person who makes their own to use that only for their personal viewing. Making copies to sell, sharing on Youtube or Facebook and any public performance of a video violates U.S. copyright laws. (take a look at them here: http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap11.html ) Those rules apply when you are at a cheer event and use your own camera. Even more precise are the Digital Millennium Copyright laws. (http://www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf )

Our standpoint has been to look the other way, but due to blatant disregard such as a parent or coach filming routines and selling them as well as numerous postings of video on public viewing sites, we have had to change how we deal with it. Again it comes back to the issue of how you use that personal video you take.

This is what I kept thinking about with people wanting USB/Download copies. What will stop one person from buying and posting to youtube so no one else has to buy a copy? It puts SEVideo back to square one of this thread

 

[wcdad]

So true. I won't buy a picture with a big fat watermark on it, but I don't care when it's a video. I just want to see the routine.

But most people have no issue standing at the viewing station and taking a picture of the screen with their cell phone and posting it to face book with the watermark. Or pulling it off of the website.. I don't know of any photographer that will put the watermark on a picture that was sold, only when they are on a web site to sell.. I have seen invisible water mark that comes out when the original is copied or scanned

 

[5-6-7-8]

This is what I kept thinking about with people wanting USB/Download copies. What will stop one person from buying and posting to youtube so no one else has to buy a copy? It puts SEVideo back to square one of this thread

Maybe something where immediate access (lower quality) online viewing is available, but downloads and/or DVDs wouldn't be made available until a week after.

Sure someone could use a phone or camera to video a screen, but lets face it...if that is how one ends up watching a video, they were probably never going to buy one anyway.

 

[SEVideo]

This is what I kept thinking about with people wanting USB/Download copies. What will stop one person from buying and posting to youtube so no one else has to buy a copy? It puts SEVideo back to square one of this thread

It's a vicious circle. :banghead: :)

 

[SEVideo]

Ok... so here's an idea we are thinking of implementing. (along with still having DVD of course :) ) In the week following a competition all routines would be uploaded online in HD for viewing and downloading at $4.99 each. You could download it to a laptop or USB drive. So if a competition is on a Sunday, is Thursday or Friday of that week too late?

Also, what online video or ".tv" sites for viewing cheer do you favor? Is there a site that is the most user friendly for navigating through and/or finding the routines you want to watch?

Thanks!

 

[notimeforthat]

Ok... so here's an idea we are thinking of implementing. (along with still having DVD of course :) ) In the week following a competition all routines would be uploaded online in HD for viewing and downloading at $4.99 each. You could download it to a laptop or USB drive. So if a competition is on a Sunday, is Thursday or Friday of that week too late?

Also, what online video or ".tv" sites for viewing cheer do you favor? Is there a site that is the most user friendly for navigating through and/or finding the routines you want to watch?

Thanks!

I think the Varsity video site is great for navigation but we need to see the entire routine (lol)
I think most people are familiar with that layout.
Getting the videos up ASAP is a factor because some gyms do comps back to back weekends and I always like to see the most recent and it would deter me from purchasing one that was "old news" .