All-Star Is It A Failure To Not Progress?

[mamabear]

Additionally, someone equating my statements with E. Pascale's, she is a great lady and everything you hear and see of her is true gold... Don't mixed my statements with anyone else's ideas, what I expect and thinking are my ideas, and my ideas only! Matter of fact, I said upfront that I am playing Devil's Advocate, this means, I may throw out statements that people are thinking, but may not have the guts to vocalize... If you are going to attack me, attack me only... do not bring anybody else's ideology into the mix... that is truly unfair to that individual!

I did not mix up anything and certainly did not attack Coach Pascale at all with my comments . She was a delight to listen to.

As for your claim that I attacked you, that is laughable! Did the fact that I disagreed with your comments, about possibly pulling your kid out of the sport if she did not progress, bother you that much that you are taking it as an attack?

 

[Pebbles49]

I know that you are a Twinkles mom and I find your comments interesting, especially since it seems to be contrary to the World Cup philosophy. I heard WC's owner speak about this exact subject last weekend and your thoughts and hers are the exact opposite. She promised everyone that her coaching goal is not to make sure that every child becomes a Shooting Star, but that they are pushed to succeed to whatever their best ability is and to find out the one, two or three things that make our cp's shine their brightest. That would be a coaching success in her eyes. She also stressed that the lower levels achievements (both personal and as a team) were to be celebrated as much as the elites.

I just can't grasp pulling your child from a sport that she enjoys; just because she is not getting the exact results that you think she should have. If my kid was slacking off, not practicing, and not giving it her all - I would be the first to reassess her/our commitment to the sport, but I would never pull her out because she didn't get a skill or move up a level according to my timeframe.

Hey mamabear, like I said in a previous post, my ideas and Ms. Pascale's ideas should not be lumped together... We are different individuals coming from a different set of ideas... My thinking is going to be different because of the athlete I have... Hey, in a few of my other posts, I mentioned my daughter's lack of wanting to practice and comparing her drive to the other children on her team, as low... You see the picture in the corner of her sleeping, she only wants to practice enough to get the routine done, no more, no less... Yes, she is Y5 athlete now, but I had a sit down with her with the season ending and tryouts coming up, explaining to her the dedication involved with being a L5 athlete and reassessing what is needed from her for the upcoming year... Right now, my daughter is getting by on raw talent, but I see AS cheerleading as a sport on the move and she too, will need to step it up...But please do not equate my drive for my child as a condemnation on the lower level athletes...I respect any and all athletes, who work hard and are learning a new skill everyday... When I talk, I am measuring progression with my child, and my child only... which, I am glad to said many of you are doing the same with your child...

 

[BigBow]

I was on a level 4 team for 6 years. I was never on a level 5 team. I never went to Worlds. Was it so wrong of my to ENJOY my time with my team, people I consider sisters, as level 4? Was it so wrong of me that I accepted the fact I'd never be a Worlds athlete? Even if I didn't have a mental block with my full, my gym didn't have a level 5 team and you would have NEVER convinced me to leave my cheer sisters, my coach that I did and still do idolize, to go elsewhere to be on a level 5 team.

SOME people set their goal to become a level 5 athlete and go to Worlds. If they do not reach their goal, they may not feel successful. This was NOT my goal. I won trophys, banners, jackets, and money with my level 4 team. My coach taught mr LIFE LESSONS, and helped guide me to become SUCCESSFUL in this thing we call LIFE. Yes, it's actually not just about cheerleading.

Please try to tell me I should have been on a rec team because my goals aren't what you think they should be.

 

[12stepCheermom]

Hey Just-a-Mom, You know, you definitely right, WE don't have any children together and actually, I never mentioned anywhere what I thought was correct for anybody's child/ren...in the Devil's Advocate role, I only suggesting, when is a good time to assess...Personally for me, knowing my child, anything less than L5 for her will not be progression, but I am wondering as a new parent in AS cheerleading what is considered progression and when should we considered lack of progression as failure and choose other avenues... Some people are attaching personal feelings onto my initial posts of wondering and at the same time wanting to play that other side of a coin...
Additionally, someone equating my statements with E. Pascale's, she is a great lady and everything you hear and see of her is true gold... Don't mixed my statements with anyone else's ideas, what I expect and thinking are my ideas, and my ideas only! Matter of fact, I said upfront that I am playing Devil's Advocate, this means, I may throw out statements that people are thinking, but may not have the guts to vocalize... If you are going to attack me, attack me only... do not bring anybody else's ideology into the mix... that is truly unfair to that individual!

I'm so glad you keep pointing out that you're in the devils advocate role here. I'm relieved for your cp that you don't actually think this way. If you did I'd direct you, post haste, to my open letter to Susie Moms in the parent section and suggest a close reading.

Thankfully, as devils advocate, you wouldn't need to do that.


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[Pebbles49]

I did not mix up anything and certainly did not attack Coach Pascale at all with my comments . She was a delight to listen to.

As for your claim that I attacked you, that is laughable! Did the fact that I disagreed with your comments, about possibly pulling your kid out of the sport if she did not progress, bother you that much that you are taking it as an attack?

Hey mama bear, I never claimed you attacked me... What I was trying to make clear is my ideas and someone else ideas should not be lumped together... Because I am a member of that gym does not make me one and the same with everyone... To be honest, just like the title of this post, 'Lack of Progression = Failure' the person who started this post a while ago had some good thoughts/ideas... When should we considered that lack of progression as failure? Which many of you provided excellent examples...

BTW, disagreeing with a poster is all the fun of writing ideas and I welcome the thoughts that in fact, disagree with me because you learn the most... It is when a post become disagreeable that is a problem...:fro:

 

[Just-a-Mom]

I'm an elite Level 5 in grammar. Does that mean that people who don't reach that level should stop posting and look for other avenues to express their views? :rolleyes:

Cheese and rice, this is ridiculous.

Side, off topic note: @12stepCheermom good luck this weekend!

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[Cheermom1969]

As the role of Devil's Advocate, in the sport of AS Cheerleading, shouldn't all athletes participating want to reach for the highest level possible in the sport... the reason I initially looked this post up of progress* because exactly, is being a L5 athlete should be everyone goal in AS Cheerleading and if you know that you do not have the goods to reach that level, why not try something else... I was just wondering? IS AS Cheerleading a SPORT or just a FUN activity to do to stay fit and socialize with your friends?:D

I don't know if you're advocating for the devil or stating your opinion in a question format, but to answer your question, while my daughter may or may not "have the goods" to reach level 5, I would NEVER tell her because of that she needs to pick a different sport. Just no.

 

[SarahS]

All the comments about rec cheerleading and failure.... :(

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[BigBow]

All the comments about rec cheerleading and failure.... :(

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That's the thing, it shouldn't be considered failure!

Some kids choose to do rec cheerleading their entire cheer career, some prefer all star, some prefer cheering competitively for their high school. I tried all three and all star was the best fit for me.

Just like plenty of kids choose to play regular ol' little league, while some choose to play travel ball. It's all personal preference, and nothing makes one better than the other. It's about letting the child choose what they like the best, where they feel the most comfortable, and where they have the best time :)

 

[dawgshow]

All the comments about rec cheerleading and failure.... :(

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Unless I'm misreading, I've only seen pebbles insinuate that rec is for the non-elite "losers". (No, I don't think that any child who isn't elite a loser in case that was unclear)



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[stuntjumptumble]

Good Luck with your college cheer tryouts:cheering:

Thank you!


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[12stepCheermom]

I'm an elite Level 5 in grammar. Does that mean that people who don't reach that level should stop posting and look for other avenues to express their views? :rolleyes:

Cheese and rice, this is ridiculous.

Side, off topic note: @12stepCheermom good luck this weekend!

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Thanks!!! So far, so good. Both the kids are having a blast! Cp13 gets to work tomorrow!


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[stuntjumptumble]

. I heard WC's owner speak about this exact subject last weekend and your thoughts and hers are the exact opposite. She promised everyone that her coaching goal is not to make sure that every child becomes a Shooting Star, but that they are pushed to succeed to whatever their best ability is and to find out the one, two or three things that make our cp's shine their brightest. That would be a coaching success in her eyes. She also stressed that the lower levels achievements (both personal and as a team) were to be celebrated as much as the elites.
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I can advocate from personal experience that this is 100% true.


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[a_cheer_leaderxo]

if you know that you do not have the goods to reach that level, why not try something else...

I know I'm probably just going to re-hash what everyone else has been saying but I saw this and had to say something.

When I moved gyms, two other girls from my old gym also moved and we were all placed on the junior 2 team. Those two girls are now on Senior 5 (and are younger than me). They probably fit your idea of 'progression' as they went from junior 2 to senior 3 and 4 respectively, to senior 5. They had the 'goods' to reach the next level but I didn't, not everyone does and that's absolutely fine. Just because you're at a lower level it doesn't mean you don't get as much out of the sport as the higher levels; when I was on J2 I felt like a superstar because we were so succesful! Were my years as a cheerleader wasted because I didn't progress like them? I just find it so hard to understand that you think you should quit cheer if you know that you won't end up on a level 4/5 team. Why should someone just give up? Why shouldn't they keep working hard (like I did) to try and progress within their level as well as enjoying themselves and setting realistic goals like getting their bhs more solid or adding it on to the end of a round off?

 

[Mommatotwo]

As the role of Devil's Advocate, in the sport of AS Cheerleading, shouldn't all athletes participating want to reach for the highest level possible in the sport... the reason I initially looked this post up of progress* because exactly, is being a L5 athlete should be everyone goal in AS Cheerleading and if you know that you do not have the goods to reach that level, why not try something else... I was just wondering? IS AS Cheerleading a SPORT or just a FUN activity to do to stay fit and socialize with your friends?:D

I'm confused. If you are only playing Devil's Advocate, and don't really feel this way, then why do you keep pursuing this? I find it insulting as my child is a hard worker and is dedicated. She never misses practices but has missed many social functions for cheer. She takes two tumble classes and privates. Why would I redirect her to another sport when this is her passion?




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