All-Star Making Scores Easier To Read

[BlueCat]

Honestly simple computer scoring would fix that. A computer wouldn't allow a score out of range or missing.

All of the comps we have been to have entered their info into a computer at some point, but they were obviously not set up well. We aren't talking about an incredibly complex database system here, either. I feel like I could build something from scratch that would prohibit out-of-range, not allow null fields (blanks), and spit out a score in a couple of hours. (King could probably do it in a few minutes.)

 

[King]

All of the comps we have been to have entered their info into a computer at some point, but they were obviously not set up well. We aren't talking about an incredibly complex database system here, either. I feel like I could build something from scratch that would prohibit out-of-range, not allow null fields (blanks), and spit out a score in a couple of hours. (King could probably do it in a few minutes.)

Im bored today. Give me someones scoresheet to setup and do it for.

 

[King]

All of the comps we have been to have entered their info into a computer at some point, but they were obviously not set up well. We aren't talking about an incredibly complex database system here, either. I feel like I could build something from scratch that would prohibit out-of-range, not allow null fields (blanks), and spit out a score in a couple of hours. (King could probably do it in a few minutes.)

In a move that is starting to take some serious planning I already made the reporting and ordering system. I am now working on validation of scores.... but I am getting caught up into how intricate it should be. I could make it so that scores are only reported once all three judges have entered all the information and making a head judge interface to check to see who has entered their information or not. I could also put in a check that only lets a judge score a team once the head judge has approved the previous teams scores (all the scores mathematically would be within feasible and not blank but the head judge would have to approve that the judges scored within range). I thought about weighing my 3 categories different... just cause. I am hard coding all the values but they could be abstracted out very easily.

And then I realize this is all for nothing except the fact I am bored while Livi is sleeping on a Saturday.

 

[imrichhowboutu]

In a move that is starting to take some serious planning I already made the reporting and ordering system. I am now working on validation of scores.... but I am getting caught up into how intricate it should be. I could make it so that scores are only reported once all three judges have entered all the information and making a head judge interface to check to see who has entered their information or not. I could also put in a check that only lets a judge score a team once the head judge has approved the previous teams scores (all the scores mathematically would be within feasible and not blank but the head judge would have to approve that the judges scored within range). I thought about weighing my 3 categories different... just cause. I am hard coding all the values but they could be abstracted out very easily.

And then I realize this is all for nothing except the fact I am bored while Livi is sleeping on a Saturday.

Varsity's system currently requires all of the judges to submit their scores before the scores are locked in and sent to the head judge. Requiring the head judge to approve the scores for all categories or judges would probably take too long for most competitions. I know at WSF there were several times that someone was finishing up a team as the next team was already taking the floor.

 

[NEliteSteven]

In a move that is starting to take some serious planning I already made the reporting and ordering system. I am now working on validation of scores.... but I am getting caught up into how intricate it should be. I could make it so that scores are only reported once all three judges have entered all the information and making a head judge interface to check to see who has entered their information or not. I could also put in a check that only lets a judge score a team once the head judge has approved the previous teams scores (all the scores mathematically would be within feasible and not blank but the head judge would have to approve that the judges scored within range). I thought about weighing my 3 categories different... just cause. I am hard coding all the values but they could be abstracted out very easily.

And then I realize this is all for nothing except the fact I am bored while Livi is sleeping on a Saturday.

Can I just have like 20 of your IQ points?

 

[King]

Varsity's system currently requires all of the judges to submit their scores before the scores are locked in and sent to the head judge. Requiring the head judge to approve the scores for all categories or judges would probably take too long for most competitions. I know at WSF there were several times that someone was finishing up a team as the next team was already taking the floor.

You could make it easy and color coordinated. The system could easily poll the server and average ten out and let an individual judge know if they were in or out of range. It's not really hard. The beauty will be when showing the boxes to the user as green for within range or red for out. You could possibly eliminate the need for a head judge if the system was done right.

 

[King]

Can I just have like 20 of your IQ points?

I'll trade you for 20 fashion points.

 

[coach12]

I only have 2 suggestions:
1) A Universal score sheet used by ALL event producers.
2) Make the scoring more basic and easy to understand.

I have been coaching a lot of years and all of us coaches in my gym make sure we stay up to date on all the rules and usasf info, but sometimes reading these scoresheets and trying to make sure my teams cover all areas for every event we go to gets so confusing.

 

[King]

I only have 2 suggestions:
1) A Universal score sheet used by ALL event producers.
2) Make the scoring more basic and easy to understand.

I have been coaching a lot of years and all of us coaches in my gym make sure we stay up to date on all the rules and usasf info, but sometimes reading these scoresheets and trying to make sure my teams cover all areas for every event we go to gets so confusing.

As a universal scoresheet is way in the future why not present all the results the same way?

 

[CGAcheer]

You could make it easy and color coordinated. The system could easily poll the server and average ten out and let an individual judge know if they were in or out of range. It's not really hard. The beauty will be when showing the boxes to the user as green for within range or red for out. You could possibly eliminate the need for a head judge if the system was done right.

Would it be possible to do a judging interface, with a slider ie Great-------------------------Bad for each category then whatever weighting, percentages etc. could be handled in the programing on the back end. Company would choose what categories there are to be judged and how much they are worth and judges wouldn't have to worry about whether level 1 is 5-6 or 6-5 or how many decimal points to use etc.

 

[coach12]

As a universal scoresheet is way in the future why not present all the results the same way?

well that would certainly help too. i would be happy with that.

 

[King]

Would it be possible to do a judging interface, with a slider ie Great-------------------------Bad for each category then whatever weighting, percentages etc. could be handled in the programing on the back end. Company would choose what categories there are to be judged and how much they are worth and judges wouldn't have to worry about whether level 1 is 5-6 or 6-5 or how many decimal points to use etc.

Technically speaking nothing we could come up with us that hard. To put in cheer speak it even the most technically advanced and difficult scoring we could come up with would be as difficult for a computer as Team USA (suppose to be the elitist team in the world I think) doing a mini level 1 routine.

The key is figuring out how a routine is judged and Empowering them with a smart interface that links all the judges together. It's all in the design and user interface.

I've always said Cheerleading was made for technology. To pull off routines nowadays you need an edited piece of album quality mixing, email to send back and forth 8 counts and videos to make sure it's legal, and a message forum to talk about it all.

If I could start it over and make a scoring system I'd have it so before competition starts a list of all the teams is loaded. If we keep a head judge they sit in front of the list and double check the team walking onto the floor is the correct team and level and number of participants competing ( which could be checked via an iPad backstage wirelessly). When the judge starts to judge their screen lists number of participants, number of stunts baskets and pyramid groups needed for what range, the preset range for the level BUT a lower the level button if a team competes a section that is below level ( one judge would click it and at the end of the routine it would prompt all the other judges to confirm the lower level). Then you score within range. If one judge is too high or too low the score won't be accepted and alert the judge with colors which direction they are too extreme. Also linked is a USASF legality person who has a button they push while watching the routine. When the hit the button a 10 second video clip (5 seconds before and 5 seconds after the button pushing) so each event that is legally in question is now recorded. Linked to the scoresheets and all calculated by computer easily and without issue. The computer would NOT allow you to enter an incorrect value.

All this is highly possible, technically easy, and besides the legal video issue I bet could be programmed in two weeks. Add in 6 weeks for testing and interface work.

 

[coach12]

Technically speaking nothing we could come up with us that hard. To put in cheer speak it even the most technically advanced and difficult scoring we could come up with would be as difficult for a computer as Team USA (suppose to be the elitist team in the world I think) doing a mini level 1 routine.

The key is figuring out how a routine is judged and Empowering them with a smart interface that links all the judges together. It's all in the design and user interface.

I've always said Cheerleading was made for technology. To pull off routines nowadays you need an edited piece of album quality mixing, email to send back and forth 8 counts and videos to make sure it's legal, and a message forum to talk about it all.

If I could start it over and make a scoring system I'd have it so before competition starts a list of all the teams is loaded. If we keep a head judge they sit in front of the list and double check the team walking onto the floor is the correct team and level and number of participants competing ( which could be checked via an iPad backstage wirelessly). When the judge starts to judge their screen lists number of participants, number of stunts baskets and pyramid groups needed for what range, the preset range for the level BUT a lower the level button if a team competes a section that is below level ( one judge would click it and at the end of the routine it would prompt all the other judges to confirm the lower level). Then you score within range. If one judge is too high or too low the score won't be accepted and alert the judge with colors which direction they are too extreme. Also linked is a USASF legality person who has a button they push while watching the routine. When the hit the button a 10 second video clip (5 seconds before and 5 seconds after the button pushing) so each event that is legally in question is now recorded. Linked to the scoresheets and all calculated by computer easily and without issue. The computer would NOT allow you to enter an incorrect value.

All this is highly possible, technically easy, and besides the legal video issue I bet could be programmed in two weeks. Add in 6 weeks for testing and interface work.

Honestly, if you could get this system to work, you would be my hero.:cheering:

 

[King]

Honestly, if you could get this system to work, you would be my hero.:cheering:

Getting it to work really isn't an issue. And it could be abstracted to easily work for ANY scoresheet (I've already pieces out how it all works in my head).

Just need someone to fund it.

 

[JulieP]

Getting it to work really isn't an issue. And it could be abstracted to easily work for ANY scoresheet (I've already pieces out how it all works in my head).

Just need someone to fund it.

How much would it even take to fund? Other than the networking it doesn't seem like it would be much more complicated than a formula/value system in excel. Then again, I am not a programmer, so maybe it's easier said than done. :)