All-Star Nearby Gym Controversy

[amy1k]

Oh no, the all star coach knows we are a rival gym. Unfortunately, I cannot be there for her middle school practices when this is occurring. I am strongly considering turn it in to our state's organization that is over athletics for middle and high schools. I didn't sign a waiver for her to participate with an all star team at this gym. If she gets hurt while not with her middle school squad who is responsible?

I cannot believe they would let the school team practice there without a waiver. That seems very strange to me as the parent of a high school cheerleader. I've never signed so many waivers. Any time she practices or competes away from her school a new waiver is required.

Eta: hopefully the middle school cheer season is over and that part will be settled for now. I'd make it clear to her school coach that it's a problem.

 

[Fiercecheermom]

This thread has definitely taken a few turns from the original post, but here is my two cents. 1) No one but the coaches should be at school practices. If it is acceptable for All Star coaches to be there, I will assume the school has their names/criteria and have given their approval to their attendance. If not, they need to be removed immediately. Along with any athletes who are not a part of the school program. 2) A 10 year old at a competition should either be in their parents sight or with their team and an authorized adult/team parent. Competitions are fun, but not completely safe places for young children to be running around without supervision. They certainly should not be in a position where a coach from another gym could have this kind of conversation with them 3) I notice that you are kinda new to the boards and I welcome you...although I notice that the 2 threads I have come across so far, that you have started, are on some controversial subjects. It is always a "red flag" when someone is relatively new and starts these kind of threads. It usually doesn't end well if there is an ulterior motive other than the wish for knowledge.

 

[jasoncheerdad]

This would break down to a talk with the MS coach, under no circumstances is she to be doing anything else with any other team. If they have nothing to do, you'll pick her back up. Honestly, and I know I'm often coined as the snarky one around here so I say this not to be rude or snarky, but it appears that you're enabling this situation as much as you may want it fixed.

If the MS coach doesn't understand the rivalry, it's up to you to talk to her/him. If the MS coach consistently allows her athletes to be pulled into other team practices, do you really trust MS coach enough to leave your daughter in his/her care? If you remove your daughter from this situation, will the other owner have less room to get to you? Yes.

My final question, have you actually talked to the rival gym owner about any of this? Because if not, it's all a moot point and you need to start at square one with better communication.

I'm not sure if my ex-wife has or not. I am always the "bad" parent anyway. I am planning on having a conversation with middle school coach and more than likely principal also. I cannot pull my child from middle school cheer, that would break her heart.

 

[CookieMomster]

Oh no, the all star coach knows we are a rival gym. Unfortunately, I cannot be there for her middle school practices when this is occurring. I am strongly considering turn it in to our state's organization that is over athletics for middle and high schools. I didn't sign a waiver for her to participate with an all star team at this gym. If she gets hurt while not with her middle school squad who is responsible?

Wait, I'm confused. I thought this gym was calling parents to recruit? If your CP is middle school aged can't you just talk to her and tell her she's to stunt with her team only?!? Is it only stunting going on or are they telling her to join them on their team (and not to just stunt at that moment since that's not being asked to join a team, it's being asked to stunt). I'm missing something here. Where is the coach from both teams?

In our gym it isn't unheard of to have girls from different teams stunt together is they're missing somebody and they're asked to fill in. CP fills in all the time.

I'm lost!

 

[jasoncheerdad]

This thread has definitely taken a few turns from the original post, but here is my two cents. 1) No one but the coaches should be at school practices. If it is acceptable for All Star coaches to be there, I will assume the school has their names/criteria and have given their approval to their attendance. If not, they need to be removed immediately. Along with any athletes who are not a part of the school program. 2) A 10 year old at a competition should either be in their parents sight or with their team and an authorized adult/team parent. Competitions are fun, but not completely safe places for young children to be running around without supervision. They certainly should not be in a position where a coach from another gym could have this kind of conversation with them 3) I notice that you are kinda new to the boards and I welcome you...although I notice that the 2 threads I have come across so far, that you have started, are on some controversial subjects. It is always a "red flag" when someone is relatively new and starts these kind of threads. It usually doesn't end well if there is an ulterior motive other than the wish for knowledge.

Not sure what ulterior motive you are referencing.

 

[CookieMomster]

Double post

What's the bullying rating for @jasoncheerdad ? I made a double post and deleted it?!? :confused: Good grief!

 

[jasoncheerdad]

Wait, I'm confused. I thought this gym was calling parents to recruit? If your CP is middle school aged can't you just talk to her and tell her she's to stunt with her team only?!? Is it only stunting going on or are they telling her to join them on their team (and not to just stunt at that moment since that's not being asked to join a team, it's being asked to stunt). I'm missing something here. Where is the coach from both teams?

In our gym it isn't unheard of to have girls from different teams stunt together is they're missing somebody and they're asked to fill in. CP fills in all the time.

I'm lost!

Middle school here starts in 6th grade so she is pretty young for these kind of situations. Yes, they have asked her to be on their competitive team while she is at her school practice. Also know, I only get half stories because on her mother's week I don't get a lot of information.

 

[amy1k]

Is her MS season mostly over? I assume it is. Now is a good time to remind her coach that she's there for her team, but not for the Allstar gym they practice at.

 

[SL&AM]

I'm not sure if my ex-wife has or not. I am always the "bad" parent anyway. I am planning on having a conversation with middle school coach and more than likely principal also. I cannot pull my child from middle school cheer, that would break her heart.

And that right there is why nothing anybody says is going to matter in this thread. I wish you the best of luck.

 

[jasoncheerdad]

What's the bullying rating for @jasoncheerdad ? I made a double post and deleted it?!? :confused: Good grief!

No idea what this means

 

[jasoncheerdad]

Rough being a guy on here. I have witnessed a large arrayof emotions. I guess I better learn how to ask questions better. WOW!!!!

 

[SL&AM]

Rough being a guy on here. I have witnessed a large arrayof emotions. I guess I better learn how to ask questions better. WOW!!!!

I'll take your dislike since I understand you dislike what I said, it doesn't make what I said any less valid. And no, we have plenty of guys on here... @King @Cheer Dad @SharkDad to name a few off the top of my head. No one's responses have anything to do with your gender.

 

[CookieMomster]

No idea what this means

In the post that I quoted you hit the Bully rating button (it's the little black fist). That means you rated my post as being a bully to you. I was asking why you rated it that way considering I was just stating I hit the enter button twice and created a duplicate post. Go to the post in question and you'll see what you did. You can also undo it, and click the bully tab and it can be removed.

 

[Emily]

No idea what this means

If you use the fierceboard via a web browser, there are those little buttons on the right bottom of each post. You can rate the posts and the little button on the very far right says "bullying". You rated a post on the second page of this thread as "bullying". A lot of times this happens accidentally while scrolling. If that is the case here, you can simply go to the post and hit "undo rating". In general the negative ratings (dislike, old thread, gossip, bullying) are used VERY rarely around here.

Regarding your problem: Recruiting is done mid-season by some gyms - whether you like it or not. The only thing you can do is stay with your kid at all times during competitions and immediately tell the people who want to recruit her that she isn't interested and that you don't want them to contact your daughter again.
For the middle-school practice: Personally, I'd talk to the ms-coach and the allstar-coach and/or gym-owner. You are probably right that there is no insurance for your kid if anything happens while she stunts with the allstar team. Make the coaches/owner aware of that. Also tell them very clearly that you don't want them to contact your daughter again and that she is at a different gym and happy there. I'd also get that in writing (no more practice with the allstar team, no more approaching to recruit while practicing at said gym).

As for people being rough on you: it's the middle of nationals season. Especially the parents are usually pretty stressed out around this time of the season - they get little sleep, have to travel across the country several times, spend tons of money and have to get their kids to extra practices all while unpacking and packing again for the next weekend, etc. They then sometimes forget that they were newbies on the board once, too. Most people here are very nice and helpful. You just started out with topics that have been discussed quite a few times and we have seen it more than once that people only joined here to stir up drama. So maybe some posters also are a little rough on you to protect themselves from disappointment. In general I'd advise newbies to first read quite a bit on the board to get a feel for the people/topics on here. I get that you want answers to your problem though. Maybe just ignore the posters who you think are being rough on you (you can put them on "ignore" if you need to), and hang around for a bit. I promise, most of us are really nice!

 

[cheermomforever]

Also, said gym is soliciting athletes while they are at her gym for their middle school cheer practice. I walked in and my daughter was stunting with the competition team not her middle school team. I about had a come apart on the coaches. Then, we get into our car and my daughter says it happens all the time she didn't understand what the problem is.

I think I would not of held back and told that owner/coach exactly how I feel. I would definitely Have your daughter tell you if it happens again. Where was her middle school coach? She should of not let that happen.


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