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just saw a facebook video of a guy getting dragged out of his car and beaten cause he honked at trump protestor signs. Hate goes both ways when it comes to race.
while i agreed for the most part when its came to the black lives matter movement, i dont think its fair to assume every white middle aged american who supports trump deserves to be dragged out of their car and beaten to a pulp by african americans.
Its a disturbing trend that i cant see ending soon, unfortunately. In the end hates goes both ways. One end of the spectrum might be reported by the media more then the other, but it doesnt mean it doesnt happen.
 
No, no, no 2018! 2018 is midterms for Congress; work on flipping their seats and make them lose their control.

I'd also start spamming your state reps in Congress about revoking the new guy's access to the nuclear codes and the ability to send us to war and ask for permission later. In case you were wondering, we haven't done a Declaration of War since WWII. And while our government does have built in checks and balances, Congress has given the President access to a lot more than just what the Constitution prescribes.
You are talking about revoking the War Powers Act, and that would apply to ALL future presidents, not just this one. Congress cannot just decide to restrict this guy.
 
I don't know that I agree with that necessarily. I know the thought is by going to a true popular vote system, the rural areas vote is devalued. BUT, a candidate would have to win more than just the urban vote. Not to mention, Congress is set up to have equal representation in the Senate, and there are many rural districts represented in the House. In fact, there has to be more non urban representation. Congress is more powerful than the Presidency. Not that any of it matters at this point. I don't see 2/3 of Congress and 38 states passing an amendment to remove the electoral. It has worked more times than it hasn't...even if it's a strange system.

The top ten populated states back in 2013 had 171M people, the bottom 40 states represented 143M. The bottom states become irrelevant when you only need the popular vote. In a democracy, the majority can impose its will on the minority, in a republic it can not. It prevents those that are large in numbers from using their power as a bargaining chip.
@UCFKnights07 Your vote definitely matters, while there have been faithless electors, a FE has never decided an election. Electoral College Fast Facts |


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@Eyes On The Prize Adam Ruins is calling America a democracy, we are a republic.


Not even addressing your pro-life views because I've learned that we all look that issue from a different stand point that's deeper than a post on a forum.

Bill Clinton also was the first president to actually speak out for support of the LGBTQ community. DOMA was not signed out of beliefs but to avoid further damage (depending on who you ask). Clinton is the same president who pushed ENDA.

And to bring up rap music is a telling argument to me. Rap artists are not the leaders of the free world. Most people don't take music, especially rap music for its context for that reason alone. Gucci didn't get accused of sexual assault by multiple women. There are girls my age who listen to rap and cringe at some lines. But music is art. Sexism is HUGE in Country music. They might not be calling women the b word but the objectification of women in country music has been going on for years. But you never hear that in an argument.

Those were facts on the procedures of second and third trimester abortion, directed to the point they are no longer "clumps of cells". Whether or not people want to address pro-life, pro-choice, or assisted suicide views, it is crucial to our judicial system to define the beginning and end of life if we are going to intervene. The case in Colorado where the baby was cut from its mother is a prime example of laws poorly executed. Woman who cut unborn baby from its mother's womb is convicted - CNN.com If people choose to believe it is our right to dismember or inflict cardiac arrest to extract infants from the womb during the second and third trimester, so be it. But, we deserve to be educated on exactly what those late procedures entail, what pain is inflicted and the consequences to the legal outcome if a murder occurs before we all proudly wave our "Yay, that's my right flag."

Your comment, "Depending on who you ask." was my point. Clinton signed DOMA into place and his views evolved along with millions of others. People evolve, however, we, the media and politicians are very selective in who we allow to evolve along with us and who we choose to chastise.

Whether it comes out of a leaders mouth or a leader condones sexually explicit rap as "art", it comes with consequence in regard to public opinion. Debating is irrelevant, opinions are formed by action and words.

Leaders and media should be held to a higher standard. Trump, Clinton and Obama told the country, quite graciously in fact, it's time to unite and move on. Debate on policy is good, checks and balances are good but, the "uneducated, bigots, racists, gun slinging, immigrant hating, Bible thumping, Muslim hating, deplorable" dialect only served to create a huge population of in the closet, anti-establishment, voters. Either we will start listening and change the dialect or we will continue down the path of division.
 
What scares me even more than a Trump presidency is the balance of power. Republicans to took control of the Senate and the House as well. One party now controls two of the three branches of the government. A number of the liberal leaning Supreme Court justices are aging. Given that you serve life terms, they are likely to retire or die during Trump's presidency. That gives him the ability to nominate conservative justices, which will be approve by a conservative senate. (In an attempt to get him approved by a conservative Senate, Obama nominated a moderate justice to replace Scalia. The Republican senate drug their feet and he will very likely not be approved. Giving Trump a nomination right off the bat)

Get a few more conservative voices on the Court and WHAM BAM just like that one party now runs all three branches of government. THAT IS NOT CHECKS AND BALANCES. You have to look past party affiliations and realize that is not good.
This is what people who are freaking out about the election should be focusing their concerns and energy on, but they are so mis-informed and whipped by the media that they are not.
 
Use google. It is out there from multiple sources, including video. Honestly if you read everything (not just the liberal everything) I cannot believe you haven't seen it, because its come across my feed 4 different times from different places.

You're missing my point. How often do you see hate crimes on pro Trump supporters in the media. How often do you see minority hate crimes? When does it move beyond bias media coverage and become a social issue? I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I'm just saying minorities have all the right to be fearful.
 
You're missing my point. How often do you see hate crimes on pro Trump supporters in the media. How often do you see minority hate crimes? When does it move beyond bias media coverage and become a social issue? I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I'm just saying minorities have all the right to be fearful.
A right and a reason are 2 different things. Anyone has a right to their own emotions. Electing Trump didn't suddenly turn all white people into a hateful mob with pitchforks. To say racial violence against whites doesn't happen or shouldn't be a consideration is offensive to me. I have watched it happen.

This is painful for me, and not something i talk about often, but I am sharing it now because I think its important to realize that racism goes in all directions. My CP has been a victim of hate and intimidation in a school where she was the minority. Fortunately, things never got physical, but that doesn't mean she hasn't been afraid. She has had things thrown at her. She has been called nasty names. She got harassed in the hallways. The school took care of it, but if it was going on the other way it would be plastered all over every media outlet in the country. I have seen it happen over and over where I work. You can't tell me it doesn't happen. IT DOES, and no, you don't see it in the mainstream media because it doesn't fit their narrative, but hate is there. It does happen. how often is difficult to gauge because it is pushed aside and under reported. How many police officers have been killed recently by minorities?

This is definitely a difficult problem in our country given the horrible things that have gone on in our history. We have a messy relationship with race and identity for sure. None of what has happened should be overlooked, pushed under the rug, or forgotten. far from it, but neither should it be an excuse to deny or minimize anyone else's experience.
 
Do you know many American republicans? I do and don't know very many who are anti LGBT. I consider myself and independent with republican leanings and I am not overly religious and feel that someone's choice of partner or gender is none of my business. It's and unfair generalization to say republicans, or even many republicans are any of those things. There is a HUGE amount of diversity within BOTH major parties in the US as far as who believes what. I don't think you can really make those kinds of generalizations about either party.

No of course i dont Im swedish but i do know a few LGBTQ people that have been discriminated agains in the states but im not gonna argue with you. since i suddenly dont know anything even though ive been politicly active in sweden in over 13 years... but i do agree with you that yes they may not be lgbtq but in history wich party is it that have been mostly anti LGBTQ.. yes it maybe that both sides have antis among there people but one party almost had a presidential candidate with socialist tendensies so... and yes i am a left winged socialist with friends who are quite highup in swedish politics.. but i do agree with you on most of your points.. (guess im gonna not get into this since i am a socialist and i do get mad easily over people getting treated different that other people)
 
A right and a reason are 2 different things. Anyone has a right to their own emotions. Electing Trump didn't suddenly turn all white people into a hateful mob with pitchforks. To say racial violence against whites doesn't happen or shouldn't be a consideration is offensive to me. I have watched it happen.

This is painful for me, and not something i talk about often, but I am sharing it now because I think its important to realize that racism goes in all directions. My CP has been a victim of hate and intimidation in a school where she was the minority. Fortunately, things never got physical, but that doesn't mean she hasn't been afraid. She has had things thrown at her. She has been called nasty names. She got harassed in the hallways. The school took care of it, but if it was going on the other way it would be plastered all over every media outlet in the country. I have seen it happen over and over where I work. You can't tell me it doesn't happen. IT DOES, and no, you don't see it in the mainstream media because it doesn't fit their narrative, but hate is there. It does happen. how often is difficult to gauge because it is pushed aside and under reported. How many police officers have been killed recently by minorities?

This is definitely a difficult problem in our country given the horrible things that have gone on in our history. We have a messy relationship with race and identity for sure. None of what has happened should be overlooked, pushed under the rug, or forgotten. far from it, but neither should it be an excuse to deny or minimize anyone else's experience.

I never said it didn't happen. I'm saying your argument is negating a larger social issue. As a Black young woman, who grew up as the only student of color in her class, who was bullied to the point of being put into therapy this is disheartening. I was harassed, the school DIDN'T take care of me. I wasn't allowed to go on a away trip because a parent couldn't come and she didn't feel comfortable sending me away. I have white friends, in fact I'm the only black person in my main friend group. I've seen them villainized. But they'd never say their harassment came close to mine. When I think of my parents who WERE physically assaulted, my grandparents who were tear gassed. It's hard for me to hear you tell me that there is a 'narrative' being promoted. It's not a narrative, it's a fact. But I politely agree to disagree.
 
A right and a reason are 2 different things. Anyone has a right to their own emotions. Electing Trump didn't suddenly turn all white people into a hateful mob with pitchforks. To say racial violence against whites doesn't happen or shouldn't be a consideration is offensive to me. I have watched it happen.

This is painful for me, and not something i talk about often, but I am sharing it now because I think its important to realize that racism goes in all directions. My CP has been a victim of hate and intimidation in a school where she was the minority. Fortunately, things never got physical, but that doesn't mean she hasn't been afraid. She has had things thrown at her. She has been called nasty names. She got harassed in the hallways. The school took care of it, but if it was going on the other way it would be plastered all over every media outlet in the country. I have seen it happen over and over where I work. You can't tell me it doesn't happen. IT DOES, and no, you don't see it in the mainstream media because it doesn't fit their narrative, but hate is there. It does happen. how often is difficult to gauge because it is pushed aside and under reported. How many police officers have been killed recently by minorities?

This is definitely a difficult problem in our country given the horrible things that have gone on in our history. We have a messy relationship with race and identity for sure. None of what has happened should be overlooked, pushed under the rug, or forgotten. far from it, but neither should it be an excuse to deny or minimize anyone else's experience.


I really, really have been trying to avoid replying to your posts because honestly it's counterproductive for all parties involved.

But I don't understand how you can say this, yet be dismissive of what everyone with a viewpoint that opposes yours has said.

I don't really want an explanation from you but it's evident that you get it and don't get it at the same time

This is going to be a long 4 years and I'm just going to disengage because I don't want to end up stressing over politics and start aging like a banana



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I never said it didn't happen. I'm saying your argument is negating a larger social issue. I guess, as a Black young woman, who grew up as the only student of color in her class, who was bullied to the point of being put into therapy. When I was harassed, the school DIDN'T take care of me. I wasn't allowed to go on a away trip because a parent couldn't come and she didn't feel comfortable sending me away. When I think of my parents who WERE physically assaulted, my grandparents who were tear gassed. It's hard for me to hear you tell me that there is a 'narrative' being promoted. It's not a narrative, it's a fact. But I politely agree to disagree.

You misunderstand me. I am NOT saying none of that happened. It DID no doubt. It is significant and it's important that it not be forgotten. It's deplorable. What I am saying is that it doesn't negate actions the other way or make it ok. I am tired of the narrative that it's ok because it's payback, or unimportant.


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I really, really have been trying to avoid replying to your posts because honestly it's counterproductive for all parties involved.

But I don't understand how you can say this, yet be dismissive of what everyone with a viewpoint that opposes yours has said.

I don't really want an explanation from you but it's evident that you get it and don't get it at the same time

This is going to be a long 4 years and I'm just going to disengage because I don't want to end up stressing over politics and start aging like a banana



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I think you get it but don't get it too. This election DIDNT suddenly change the state of race relations in this country this storm has been building for 8 years and has been stoked by politicians and the media, and that isn't ok. It can't all be laid at Trumps feet. I understand you don't like that idea but it is what it is.


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You are talking about revoking the War Powers Act, and that would apply to ALL future presidents, not just this one. Congress cannot just decide to restrict this guy.

And I have no issue with that? My husband went to war because a prior President utilized this Act and sent us to a war that we knew at the time, and even more so now, was a war we never belonged in. A war that did irreversible damage to the Middle East. So yeah, gotta say, I have zero issues with the President going back to what was Constitutionally given to him/her.
 
And I have no issue with that? My husband went to war because a prior President utilized this Act and sent us to a war that we knew at the time, and even more so now, was a war we never belonged in. A war that did irreversible damage to the Middle East. So yeah, gotta say, I have zero issues with the President going back to what was Constitutionally given to him/her.

Just realized you changed your avatar to Lin/Hamilton

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