All-Star Only Seniors Can Expose Midriff???

[Mom2Cheergirls]

The limit that you set as a consumer i guess...we already have a performance guideline at most competitions in terms of material and overall look so your over the top exaggerations would never come about.
What is too much??? I think common sense will lead most of us in this. I believe that the overwhelming majority of industry professionals want only the best for our sport. I trust them that they will do the right thing.

Well clearly we will have to agree to disagree.Because as a consumer with children in this sport I see teams that have costumes that are already beyond common sense, and many, many , many people agree - and are sick and tired of each season teams pushing it one step further.
Yes I gave extreme examples -- precisely because you said there should be NO LIMIT! I think your response is a cop out and a way of avoiding the question(given that their are teams with barely any material - and you said USASF should not put on limits) and by not stating your view of limits, but saying well the majority is doing it so it is ok - that it is not taking ownership as a responsible member of the industry. As you own a business that develops children --- that is scary to me. And regardless if the majority of professionals want only the best the fact that there is a minority pushing the envelope and that they are pushing it with children - the majority should then take caution and protect these children from gym owners that have no limits and parents that can overlook their own kids with whatever excuse they make in their heads to make putting their kids on a stage half naked doing hip thrusts at 8 and under (saw it at our last comp) all for the sake of a win - and okay thing. Which basically then combines the other area that I dialogued on with you --- that this is precisely why the USASF exists:The role of USASF Committees is to expertly address specific issues of importance to the many constituencies that are represented by the all star community.

 

[SparkleSpankies]

Well clearly we will have to agree to disagree.Because as a consumer with children in this sport I see teams that have costumes that are already beyond common sense, and many, many , many people agree - and are sick and tired of each season teams pushing it one step further.
Yes I gave extreme examples -- precisely because you said there should be NO LIMIT! I think your

COSTUMES... you said it.. the problem is some are not wearing uniforms, they are becoming costumes and this is not a dance recitial where we are interpreting music. Dance is an ART so they (while at times also push the envelope) need to fit the music. Cheerleading, everyone wants it to be a sport and it is, but sports don't dress up. Being that we are on a floor/stage with lights, make-up is OK and cheerleading has had bows since I remember.. but the actual outfit needs to be a UNIFORM not a COSTUME!

 

[SparkleSpankies]

One more thing and I think I have said it before.... I think the only way to try and control this so people were no longer pushing an envelope is put a limit. I don't see anything wrong w/ a classy crop top and I think that is the point... and maybe all of this arguing back and forth will make them re-think however, how long is it before someone pushes the envelope AGAIN?

 

[munchkinmom]

I definitely admire your persistence. LOL And I agree.......most gym's handle their uniform's responsibly. If USASF has an issue with a particular program's they should direct that to them.

A few bad apples....you know that saying!!!!

For them to have any grounds to address it, they have to create a standard. Otherwise the gym just goes "we are dressed within your standard - none, and we're within the law". Anyone who has ever been in the position of employee evaluations knows you cannot evaluate against that which there is no guideline.

 

[12stepCheermom]

I fail to see how tumbling with a full top on is any different then a crop top. It isn't like you are going to be tumbling in a prom dress or big baggy tshirt, it is form fitting with your stomach covered. If you can't tumble with your stomach covered then blame it on yourself psyching yourself out not the material covering a few more inches of your body.

I have to agree with this. Most of the monster tumblers we talk about on this board are guys.....I have yet to see one in a crop top. That's my own USASF-sanctioned data collection method talking....

 

[cheerfearleader]

I fail to see how tumbling with a full top on is any different then a crop top. It isn't like you are going to be tumbling in a prom dress or big baggy tshirt, it is form fitting with your stomach covered. If you can't tumble with your stomach covered then blame it on yourself psyching yourself out not the material covering a few more inches of your body.

I dont really think not liking to tumble with a full top has anything to do with my tumbling abilities. I can tumble with my stomach covered I just don't like to because full tops fly up more and I do not like having to pull it down in the middle of my routine. Of course I can tumble w/ a full top or crop top, but I fell as tumbling gets more advanced as the levels go higher it makes the routine messier with everyone pulling down their tops., and yes, even if they are form fitted, they still get in the way, my old team used to have them.

 

[Coach Troy]

Well clearly we will have to agree to disagree.Because as a consumer with children in this sport I see teams that have costumes that are already beyond common sense, and many, many , many people agree - and are sick and tired of each season teams pushing it one step further.
Yes I gave extreme examples -- precisely because you said there should be NO LIMIT! I think your response is a cop out and a way of avoiding the question(given that their are teams with barely any material - and you said USASF should not put on limits) and by not stating your view of limits, but saying well the majority is doing it so it is ok - that it is not taking ownership as a responsible member of the industry. As you own a business that develops children --- that is scary to me. And regardless if the majority of professionals want only the best the fact that there is a minority pushing the envelope and that they are pushing it with children - the majority should then take caution and protect these children from gym owners that have no limits and parents that can overlook their own kids with whatever excuse they make in their heads to make putting their kids on a stage half naked doing hip thrusts at 8 and under (saw it at our last comp) all for the sake of a win - and okay thing. Which basically then combines the other area that I dialogued on with you --- that this is precisely why the USASF exists:The role of USASF Committees is to expertly address specific issues of importance to the many constituencies that are represented by the all star community.

I have stated very clearly in this thread that I have not seen a crop top uniform that was too short. So my "limit" is all of those crazy examples that you gave (that no one would ever do) . I do not remeber saying there are no limits what I am arguing against is the USASF and you suddenly commanding us to wear a certain uniform. No one goes on the floor "half naked" they just go on the floor with less then what YOU want them to go in the floor with....this is the foundation of my whole argument. Your sensibilities are not my sensibilities it's just sad that I am willing to give you the power and support to seek out and wear uniforms that conform to your style choices yet you want only to ride your high horse and proclaim " all that disagree and wear "costumes" that I do not approve of are wrong!!!"

You are watching something way different then I am each weekend. I am watching amazing athletes from level 1 to level 5 perform amazing skills choreographed together with wonderful artistry. I am sorry that you see so much evil and wrong in our sport. I however celebrate and love the differences in our industry. And I am confident in the positive legacy that my program has left in the lives of thousands of young people over the last 13 years....and each one wore a crop top :)))

 

[munchkinmom]

I have stated very clearly in this thread that I have not seen a crop top uniform that was too short. So my "limit" is all of those crazy examples that you gave (that no one would ever do) . I do not remeber saying there are no limits what I am arguing against is the USASF and you suddenly commanding us to wear a certain uniform. No one goes on the floor "half naked" they just go on the floor with less then what YOU want them to go in the floor with....this is the foundation of my whole argument. Your sensibilities are not my sensibilities it's just sad that I am willing to give you the power and support to seek out and wear uniforms that conform to your style choices yet you want only to ride your high horse and proclaim " all that disagree and wear "costumes" that I do not approve of are wrong!!!"

You are watching something way different then I am each weekend. I am watching amazing athletes from level 1 to level 5 perform amazing skills choreographed together with wonderful artistry. I am sorry that you see so much evil and wrong in our sport. I however celebrate and love the differences in our industry. And I am confident in the positive legacy that my program has left in the lives of thousands of young people over the last 13 years....and each one wore a crop top :)))

I understand the context of that statement. I understand what you mean by the statement. I understand (whether I agree or not) every point you have made. Please understand that this statement still makes my skin crawl every time I read it. I'm not some ultra-conservative ankle length skirt and long sleeve wearing mom. I have half tops and 1" inseam shorts in my closet that were bought the spring I turned 18 and were well worn back when I fit in them, I keep them, dreaming one day I'll fit back in them and will wear them in appropriate venues with my CP nowhere in sight.

 

[thecheermoma]

I have stated very clearly in this thread that I have not seen a crop top uniform that was too short. So my "limit" is all of those crazy examples that you gave (that no one would ever do) . I do not remeber saying there are no limits what I am arguing against is the USASF and you suddenly commanding us to wear a certain uniform. No one goes on the floor "half naked" they just go on the floor with less then what YOU want them to go in the floor with....this is the foundation of my whole argument. Your sensibilities are not my sensibilities it's just sad that I am willing to give you the power and support to seek out and wear uniforms that conform to your style choices yet you want only to ride your high horse and proclaim " all that disagree and wear "costumes" that I do not approve of are wrong!!!"

You are watching something way different then I am each weekend. I am watching amazing athletes from level 1 to level 5 perform amazing skills choreographed together with wonderful artistry. I am sorry that you see so much evil and wrong in our sport. I however celebrate and love the differences in our industry. And I am confident in the positive legacy that my program has left in the lives of thousands of young people over the last 13 years....and each one wore a crop top :)))

100000000% agree!

 

[Coach Troy]

I understand the context of that statement. I understand what you mean by the statement. I understand (whether I agree or not) every point you have made. Please understand that this statement still makes my skin crawl every time I read it.

What did I say that makes your skin crawl?????

 

[munchkinmom]

What did I say that makes your skin crawl?????

" I am confident in the positive legacy that my program has left in the lives of thousands of young people over the last 13 years....and each one wore a crop top"

Sorry, I quoted everything and just bolded that part because I didn't want to seperate it from the rest of the post that provides the context in my reply, but I'm not sure if bolding shows up on the mobile versions.

 

[Coach Troy]

Oh....what about that is disturbing??

 

[munchkinmom]

The overall feel of the statement from an adult male as being heard by a mother as part of this discussion. It's not a black and white "you said this part right here wrong because of x, y and z", but within the gestalt of this thread; it just _feels_ wrong to _me_. Maybe I am the only one, and I can accept that. And I am not judging _you_, simply relaying my feelings on this specific statement. Perhaps this is why this whole topic is so problematic. It is _so_ subjective and _so_ apt to trigger emotional responses (especially the mother bear response)

 

[Coach Troy]

So........since this is a uniform forum let me state clearly...
I am for all that want a full top to wear it, and all that don't to be choose what works for them. I am for reminding those that cross the lines of decency " all things in moderation " . Iam against the USASF's heavy handed approach to governing our sport...the opinion of this one coach.

Agh....the nerve of some people you make my skin crawl :((((

 

[TheVipersMom]

I have stayed out of this topic for to long because I don't agree with the rule. I don't have problem with what anyone wear's really but if I did I would leave the gym.

Our gym that we just moved away from had crop tops for youth, junior, senior. They had different full top uniforms for tiny/mini.

My daughter was the only young kid who crossed up so we had both uniforms. She was 6 and there is nothing disgusting or creepy about my daughter in a crop top...

Now here is her mini uniform

Yes it is much uglier but it was also a heck of a lot cheaper.

We moved to the new gym and they have full tops for everyone. Although I personally think it looks better cropped I have no problem whatsoever with a full top uniform.

What I'm getting at here is all these gyms have different policies.. Some have tiny & mini full top and youth and up cropped. So have gym wide full top uniforms, so have gym wide cropped. It is our personal preference what we prefer and if you don't like it that much then you have other places that will cater to your style. If you choose to make your kid cover up at competitions then that's on you. My daughter majority of the time isn't covered- she had her jacket she could put on if cold but other then that she isn't sliding a t-shirt over her head and messing up her hair and make up.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. I have taken my daughter out to eat in her uniform before. My daughter wore her sports bra and shorts in Walmart before and to me that's ok. My daughter stays with me. No I don't want grown mean staring and thinking nasty thoughts of my child but it's no different then a man looking at my but when I walk by.... They are going to do it. What is a thought to me though?...I keep my daughter safe and protected she doesn't run around competitions by herself when she is 6 years old.

Also why do we care what others outside are sport think, if they are not going to participate because they don't like our uniform when there are many gyms to cater to your preference then they probably could never love cheer for the many other reasons we have all grown to love it. It no different then guys on our swim team at school wearing speedos. To me that leaves a lot less to the imagination...

The thing is if we let them decide on full top uniforms for everyone and each gym has no say so. Then what's to stop them from saying you need no bow. There distracting.. Cant y'all just use regular pony tail holders? That's what it is coming to and I have no problem who wears a crop top. I just don't see why they do.