All-Star Only Seniors Can Expose Midriff???

[Mom Jeans]

Funny thing, the shortest crop top ever worn by my daughter was made by Varsity LOL

 

[ROCKnROLLS]

They have NO RIGHT to say what we should wear.

Unless they are paying for your uniform, you have a point.

 

[SparkleSpankies]

For some reason I don't think the USASF did this re: legnth of crop tops... but whatever. :deadhorse:

 

[Mom Jeans]

I have never liked full tops, but theyre are growing on me, really fast. Im tired of seeing too tight ill fitting unis that get smaller as the performance goes on, for me it's actually a distraction, Im sorry but I do notice it and takes away from the performance for me.

I agree most gym owners are very responsible but those few have spoiled it. I think guidelines and deductions could solve the problem. Then if that doesnt work try something more drastic.

Of all the rules that changed this is the one that least upsets me.

 

[Mom2Cheergirls]

I have stated very clearly in this thread that I have not seen a crop top uniform that was too short. So my "limit" is all of those crazy examples that you gave (that no one would ever do) . I do not remeber saying there are no limits what I am arguing against is the USASF and you suddenly commanding us to wear a certain uniform. No one goes on the floor "half naked" they just go on the floor with less then what YOU want them to go in the floor with....this is the foundation of my whole argument. Your sensibilities are not my sensibilities it's just sad that I am willing to give you the power and support to seek out and wear uniforms that conform to your style choices yet you want only to ride your high horse and proclaim " all that disagree and wear "costumes" that I do not approve of are wrong!!!"

You are watching something way different then I am each weekend. I am watching amazing athletes from level 1 to level 5 perform amazing skills choreographed together with wonderful artistry. I am sorry that you see so much evil and wrong in our sport. I however celebrate and love the differences in our industry. And I am confident in the positive legacy that my program has left in the lives of thousands of young people over the last 13 years....and each one wore a crop top :)))

If you don't see a 4 inch band of fabric with small arms attached and perhaps 5 inch wide band of booty shorts as half naked then you and gym owners like you are the problem because actually if you take it even mathematically -- that is WAY more than half naked even on a mini cheerleader. Which is why I threw in the extreme example because at some point there has to be a stopping point but you were the one that said it should be based on the economic principle of consumer choice and a ban on crop tops would hurt your business.

And yes you said you did not want the USASF to limit you and that it is not their role. Which is actually the whole point of their existence. Well when (not saying you do this ) "artistry" is putting young girls on a stage doing hip thrust dressed in that little of fabric and adults are watching it and screaming (which by the very definition of the word - is provocative) and another gym says yes lets stick our girls up there in just a little less won't this uniform look fierce--- then yes the USASF needs to set regulations because gym owners (that say hey as long as I think it looks good and parents are willing to bring their kids here then we're all good) and event producers (who have not stepped up to say wear this and you will get an automatic deduction) have no care and concern with image or protection of young girls overall in this sport. As long as the kids you coach are fine -- who cares about the rest - it is entertainment and art.

You can celebrate and love the differences that teams bring in style while still having everyone remember that these are CHILDREN. At Battle of the Capital I watched a mini team in mega tiny costumes doing hip thrusts --- MANY people in the audience said loudly "oh that is just wrong".... but moms and dads were in front --- screaming "Go baby -- SHAKE IT BABY". When a vast and broad spectrum on adults are watching something and you hear a collective grown and murmurs and loud comments from many people watching.... well then yeah USASF needs to step in. It is the responsibility of the USASF to set standards it is there role not mine and I am proud that they have stepped up to protect kids from adults who have no absolutely boundaries. A consumer chosen driven economic model is fine for orange juice but these are young kids who are minors.

By the way the whole time I have said the majority is doing fine (so not sure where you get the "so much evil and wrong" from) and has boundaries that make common sense but as a professional (gym owner) in the sport you don't look the other way when other gyms are putting children in positions that are beyond measure of even some adult decency. If you don't get the point of your responsibility as an owner to step up and help create certain limits to protect children in a sport that is predominately done by minors you never will understand why the USASF has set these rules - personally if they turn the guidelines around and say crop tops are okay but here are some restrictions on width etc .. cool with me. I agree I have a choice as to where my kids go. .. but as someone who has worked in the field of child protection I also see a legitimate need for the sport to put limits is place to protect and respect the psychosocial and physical development of their athletes especially when there are gym owners (again not saying you) and parents who place the number of trophies, medals, and wins ahead of such development.

 

[Corsicab]

I have never liked full tops, but theyre are growing on me, really fast. Im tired of seeing too tight ill fitting unis that get smaller as the performance goes on, for me it's actually a distraction, Im sorry but I do notice it and takes away from the performance for me.
Of all the rules that changed this is the one that least upsets me.

I think that's why I prefer full tops, it is such a distraction to me. I hate seeing half of a teams' sports bras hanging out, it's better if they match the bottom of the crop top but still distracting.

I'd also like to add that in IL we have well fitted full tops. Very few girls feel the need to pull them down and I rarely see tops go over girls' faces when tumbling.

I'm more annoyed by the skirts that stay up after tumbling and the girls are constantly pulling on those.

 

[debbie]

Who said anything about you being immoral??? That is you putting words in people's mouths.

I am neutral because I don't care if a child on a youth team has a crop top on as long as that crop top isn't a thin strip of fabric. Fierce's level 1-4 uniforms are a great example, on the little girls there is barely any material that makes up the top. Make the tops a smidge longer, but still cropped and all is good.

So shouldnt it be Fierces right to decide their unis and shouldnt it be the parents decision if they want their child at that gym? Why does the usasf think they know whats best for my child more than I do?

 

[Coach Troy]

If you don't see a 4 inch band of fabric with small arms attached and perhaps 5 inch wide band of booty shorts as half naked then you and gym owners like you are the problem because actually if you take it even mathematically -- that is WAY more than half naked even on a mini cheerleader. Which is why I threw in the extreme example because at some point there has to be a stopping point but you were the one that said it should be based on the economic principle of consumer choice and a ban on crop tops would hurt your business.

And yes you said you did not want the USASF to limit you and that it is not their role. Which is actually the whole point of their existence. Well when (not saying you do this ) "artistry" is putting young girls on a stage doing hip thrust dressed in that little of fabric and adults are watching it and screaming (which by the very definition of the word - is provocative) and another gym says yes lets stick our girls up there in just a little less won't this uniform look fierce--- then yes the USASF needs to set regulations because gym owners (that say hey as long as I think it looks good and parents are willing to bring their kids here then we're all good) and event producers (who have not stepped up to say wear this and you will get an automatic deduction) have no care and concern with image or protection of young girls overall in this sport. As long as the kids you coach are fine -- who cares about the rest - it is entertainment and art.

You can celebrate and love the differences that teams bring in style while still having everyone remember that these are CHILDREN. At Battle of the Capital I watched a mini team in mega tiny costumes doing hip thrusts --- MANY people in the audience said loudly "oh that is just wrong".... but moms and dads were in front --- screaming "Go baby -- SHAKE IT BABY". When a vast and broad spectrum on adults are watching something and you hear a collective grown and murmurs and loud comments from many people watching.... well then yeah USASF needs to step in. It is the responsibility of the USASF to set standards it is there role not mine and I am proud that they have stepped up to protect kids from adults who have no absolutely boundaries. A consumer chosen driven economic model is fine for orange juice but these are young kids who are minors.

By the way the whole time I have said the majority is doing fine (so not sure where you get the "so much evil and wrong" from) and has boundaries that make common sense but as a professional (gym owner) in the sport you don't look the other way when other gyms are putting children in positions that are beyond measure of even some adult decency. If you don't get the point of your responsibility as an owner to step up and help create certain limits to protect children in a sport that is predominately done by minors you never will understand why the USASF has set these rules - personally if they turn the guidelines around and say crop tops are okay but here are some restrictions on width etc .. cool with me. I agree I have a choice as to where my kids go. .. but as someone who has worked in the field of child protection I also see a legitimate need for the sport to put limits is place to protect and respect the psychosocial and physical development of their athletes especially when there are gym owners (again not saying you) and parents who place the number of trophies, medals, and wins ahead of such development.

Wow so much here I want to address but I fear that we will never see eye to eye, your world view is just so far off mine.
I do know and and take very serious my responsibilities to this industry and to the athletes we teach, and I have NEVER looked the other way if I believed something we were doing was wrong or endangered those participating in our sport.
Again I firmly believe that your generalizations are not representative of our industry as a whole. Furthermore your extreme views of modesty will not help us as an industry, again just because someone is not wearing as much as you would like them too does not mean that they are dressed inappropriately.
In closing I am for your right and my right to choose. I believe that most of us have a very solid sense of what is decent and exercise it on a regular basis. I see no problem addressing individual issues of dress but I do not support your heavy handed approach.

 

[TheVipersMom]

Coach Troy

Am I wrong or way off to think you look like or similar to the pic in your avatar?:)

 

[Coach Troy]

Hahaha I wish!!!

 

[debbie]

I believe I am a pretty conservative parent. There are two gyms I can think of that I would not have my child because of the uniform. This is my right as a parent; it is also the right of the gyms to order the uniforms they like. My biggest issue with this rule is that the usasf feels they need to police the owners and parent the children. I would like to say the usasf DOES NOT need to parent my child I am capable of doing that myself

 

[mommadonna]

I know I will get slammed for this, but if you are participating in a sport at a high level isn't the goal physical fitness? A uniform showing off an athlete's physique isn't inappropriate. As a sport we should have to eliminate crops because out of shape and overweight kids?

This is the reason why I'm thinking the rule should consider the level of the athlete and not necessarily the age. A level 5 athlete is much less likely to have an overweight physique than, say, a level 2. They are in the gym more and their workouts tend to be more intense due to the level of skills they are working. I'm actually in favor of the conservative uniform in considering the validity of our sport, but if the belief is that athletes that look good in the half tops are the ones who should be wearing them, I'd say restrict them to level 5 instead of senior.

 

[itsbexx]

This is the reason why I'm thinking the rule should consider the level of the athlete and not necessarily the age. A level 5 athlete is much less likely to have an overweight physique than, say, a level 2. They are in the gym more and their workouts tend to be more intense due to the level of skills they are working. I'm actually in favor of the conservative uniform in considering the validity of our sport, but if the belief is that athletes that look good in the half tops are the ones who should be wearing them, I'd say restrict them to level 5 instead of senior.

Surely then people would be pushing for level 5 skills to wear the half top, when they're not ready? Leading to more tumbling restrictions due to poor technique and injuries. It's down to the coaches to make the correct choices for the athlete, tumbling and uniform.

 

[kristenthegreat]

I believe I am a pretty conservative parent. There are two gyms I can think of that I would not have my child because of the uniform. This is my right as a parent; it is also the right of the gyms to order the uniforms they like. My biggest issue with this rule is that the usasf feels they need to police the owners and parent the children. I would like to say the usasf DOES NOT need to parent my child I am capable of doing that myself

I am glad you are capable..unfortunately, many aren't. I'm a camp counselor, and it could be because I don't have any myself, but I swear to heavens I could parent some of these kids better than their own parents. 'For the Greater Good', I think Albus Dumbledore said?

 

[mommadonna]

Surely then people would be pushing for level 5 skills to wear the half top, when they're not ready? Leading to more tumbling restrictions due to poor technique and injuries. It's down to the coaches to make the correct choices for the athlete, tumbling and uniform.

I agree with you in that the coaches do have a responsibility to make the correct choices for the athlete...including whether or not they are ready to throw a new skill. Technique is in the coaching, not in the uniform. Kids already push hard for level 5 skills because they want to be level 5. Think about the perks that are already a part of being on a level 5 team. (Worlds, being on the "mac-daddy" elite squad, getting to go to the best comps, etc) Some gyms already offer a different uniform at level 5 anyway. I don't see how allowing half tops only at level 5 would make a difference in how janky the tumbling is.