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I will not get started on UGGS..it will once again be a 10-page rant. Needless to say #justsayno
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This has been done before, in terms of the image discussion, but I thought I'd share the experience I had this weekend at Return to Atlantis.
This was the FIRST EVER cheerleading competition that my girlfriend has ever attended. She was completely shocked that parents allow their children to walk around the venue, the hood of Baltimore, and the Inner Harbor with their skimpy uniforms on. She said "Do these parents have any idea that their kids look like a piece of meat? Why are they wearing what is essentially a performance costume out in public?" I explained to her that there was a new rule in place for next year about wearing t-shirts if you're not in warm-ups. But she asked me a question that took me a minute to respond to, "Yeah, but once you're done performing, what is the point of having the uniform on at all?" I thought about awards and such, but really she's right.
We're both musicians, which is how we met. When we perform in a church, the robes come off as soon as you're done performing. When you're doing Carnegie Hall, you bring your concert attire in a garment bag on a hanger and change out of it when you're done. If you watch a broadway show, the performers don't leave the venue with their costumes on, right? Her point is, we're a performance sport. When you're on stage, you're getting into character in a way. That's what makes it special in that moment... lights, camera, action, slap on your uniform and transform into a diva. Her thought was that kids would have more respect for the uniform if it were treated as something that only has a purpose on stage.
Outside of that, kids should be in some other kind of gym wear.
So, what would be wrong with kids having a garment bag, arriving to competition in warmups, changing to compete, and then putting their warmups back on and keeping warmups on for awards? My only argument to this was that not every kid can afford warmups and/or an extra bag AND sometimes it gets hot in those arenas so who the heck wants to wear pants and a jacket? or even pants and a t-shirt for that matter? She said "You know what would look awesome?! Boxing robes!" LOL yeah, we'll come back to that:rolleyes:...
I was trying to think of something like practice gear for walking around at competition... shorts and a shirt or just lightweight warmups... Thoughts?
I agree with putting warmups or something over the uniform, but in your OP Num1Stunta you said to actually change out of it. I guess my problem with this is where on earth would this changing take place??? Certainly not the bathrooms - its already bad enough in there with the hair and makeup. This isn't like a normal performance group that has a limited number of people. And it's not like Dance Moms where each team is apparently given their own room to get ready in. We're talking a few hundred kids over the course of a day... Where would you have them change at a typical competition venue?
(***This is not necessarily to disagree with you. Just questioning the logistics of how you would actually make it happen)
better question; why is like every big competition in like the most ghetto places ever (sorry for thread jacking but like seriously...other than like UCA and Worlds...Im always concerned Im going to get hit with a stray bullet at big comps)
I hate that our gym actually allows athletes to wear Uggs with their uniform. They sell the personalized blinged out boots with the gym logo on them, which I don't mind as much, but the girls wear every style Ugg imaginable, in any and every color and I think it looks horrible! I don't understand why they allow this. Is it so horrible to wear your cheer shoes around the venue? They're pretty strict in every other aspect.
I don't totally agree with your statement BUT I do believe some of the makeup has gotten out of control and some of the hairstyles too.
I am for a more natural looking makeup. Reason being, there is still a performance factor involved in this sport and as with any other 'theatrical' performance, the face along with the skill draws the crowd in. I don't feel that rhinestones on the eyes add to the performance (JMO) or extremely wild eyes, lips etc but you definitely don't want the face to wash out under those bright lights.
If your at most convention centers, there are numerous bathrooms to change in.... I can speak for the Baltimore Conv Center since we compete there at least 3 times a season, my kid has never had an issue finding a bathroom to change in... she also wears boy cut spankys under her unform (which has attached briefs) and a sports bra, so she could go into the bathroom but not need to go into a stall to change.... I guess my point is that it can be done if you truly want to...
Yes your kid has never had an issue finding a bathroom because it is NOT currently required that all thousand cheerleaders change. If it was I can assure you that there would not be enough space. I can't speak for Baltimore since I live a thousand miles from there, but I can speak for Navy Pier in Chicago. They close/lock all the bathrooms except the 2 inside the arena itself and there is a line a mile long all day. Both my kids wear warmups all day except when performing and at awards. I was just pointing out that if it was required that EVERYONE change out of the uniform there would be a problem with space. Right now you're probably not having problems because the majority of kids do not change.
Yes your kid has never had an issue finding a bathroom because it is NOT currently required that all thousand cheerleaders change. If it was I can assure you that there would not be enough space. I can't speak for Baltimore since I live a thousand miles from there, but I can speak for Navy Pier in Chicago. They close/lock all the bathrooms except the 2 inside the arena itself and there is a line a mile long all day. Both my kids wear warmups all day except when performing and at awards. I was just pointing out that if it was required that EVERYONE change out of the uniform there would be a problem with space. Right now you're probably not having problems because the majority of kids do not change.
I'm not exactly sure if it's resistance as much as it is not necessary? If they make the rule of course we will abide by it, however the reasoning for the rule is not 100% justifiable to me. If my kid wants to walk off stage, walk straight out the convention center doors because she's sweating and get fresh air i don't see why i should make her change her clothes before doing so to put on a shirt, warmup pants and/or a jacket...it just doesn't make sense to me. Now if she wants to walk around town after a competition because she has to perform again later (which has been the case for the last 6 years of cheer) then i'm not going to make her change into her uniform twice. Like i said, if they make the rule then ok but until then, we will do what works best for us.I LOVE the idea of a changing room with a bunch of mirrors with primping. It would leave the bathrooms for actually, well, going to the bathroom.
That said, I really don't understand why it is such a terrible idea to wear some form of warm ups to / from competition with uniform being for performing and awards. Out of the many issues going on in cheer, I would think this should be the easiest to fix. The resistance I have seen on here baffles me.
In response to the boxing robe idea...8 years ago my team had a "boxing" theme, and we all wore actual boxing robes as "props" before we performed...hahh. I couldn't resist posting a picture!This has been done before, in terms of the image discussion, but I thought I'd share the experience I had this weekend at Return to Atlantis.
This was the FIRST EVER cheerleading competition that my girlfriend has ever attended. She was completely shocked that parents allow their children to walk around the venue, the hood of Baltimore, and the Inner Harbor with their skimpy uniforms on. She said "Do these parents have any idea that their kids look like a piece of meat? Why are they wearing what is essentially a performance costume out in public?" I explained to her that there was a new rule in place for next year about wearing t-shirts if you're not in warm-ups. But she asked me a question that took me a minute to respond to, "Yeah, but once you're done performing, what is the point of having the uniform on at all?" I thought about awards and such, but really she's right.
We're both musicians, which is how we met. When we perform in a church, the robes come off as soon as you're done performing. When you're doing Carnegie Hall, you bring your concert attire in a garment bag on a hanger and change out of it when you're done. If you watch a broadway show, the performers don't leave the venue with their costumes on, right? Her point is, we're a performance sport. When you're on stage, you're getting into character in a way. That's what makes it special in that moment... lights, camera, action, slap on your uniform and transform into a diva. Her thought was that kids would have more respect for the uniform if it were treated as something that only has a purpose on stage.
Outside of that, kids should be in some other kind of gym wear.
So, what would be wrong with kids having a garment bag, arriving to competition in warmups, changing to compete, and then putting their warmups back on and keeping warmups on for awards? My only argument to this was that not every kid can afford warmups and/or an extra bag AND sometimes it gets hot in those arenas so who the heck wants to wear pants and a jacket? or even pants and a t-shirt for that matter? She said "You know what would look awesome?! Boxing robes!" LOL yeah, we'll come back to that:rolleyes:...
I was trying to think of something like practice gear for walking around at competition... shorts and a shirt or just lightweight warmups... Thoughts?