All-Star Usasf Proposed Rule Changes For 22-23

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Yes! Summit has raised the bar.

Something I’ve noticed in Summit teams in the past years is that as the bar gets raised, you almost have to be a level ABOVE the team’s level to make the team and be successful on it.

For example, to make a Summit-winning Senior 1, you probably need to basically be a level 2 athlete.

Sort of like when schools have required minimum skills. It might require a BHS, but it is beyond required when everyone in the tryout pool has a tuck.

These proposed changes are going to further promote that (Which has some pros and cons.)

There almost needs to be a true beginner type event specifically for kids who don’t have those experiences.

Like a prep or rec version or starter version of regional Summit if you will.

Even those "true beginner type events" will soon have teams there that are far too advanced because gyms want to win.
You can't influence which kids make what team at the gym level, therefore gyms can continue to put level 3 athletes on a beginner level 1 team just to up their chances of winning.
 
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Even those "true beginner type events" will soon have teams there that are far too advanced because gyms want to win.
You can't influence which kids make what team at the gym level, therefore gyms can continue to put level 3 athletes on a beginner level 1 team just to up their chances of winning.

Our kid's coach would ask us, "What is the difference between a level 2 and level 3,4, or 5 athlete performing a good bhs?" Not really the question you want to be asked when you're wanting your child's head grazing running tuck to make the level 3 team next year, but his point was valid. All other competitive sports build their teams from the top down and with the most proficient athletes. It makes more sense from building skill depth to reducing injuries when you compete proficient athletes instead of competing beginners in each level. The new difference, is beginners in all levels are now learning behind the scenes and are expected to have skill depth and good technique before making the next level team. Every other competitive sport does this, and honestly, AS was the only place we could find for my kid's to compete as 14 year old beginner athletes. Bittersweet.
 
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Honestly, the more I think about it the more I do believe we need more levels, but we should be expanding on the bottom, not the top. I don't think it's ten/twelve levels like gymnastics, but prep and novice just should be incorporated into real levels rather than a different "outsider" division. There does need to be more space for beginners, but I'm not sure how to deal with the "win at costs, must level everyone down" either... In gymnastics you can stop this because it is an individual sport, but it gets much more complicated with teams and gyms.
 

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Honestly, the more I think about it the more I do believe we need more levels, but we should be expanding on the bottom, not the top. I don't think it's ten/twelve levels like gymnastics, but prep and novice just should be incorporated into real levels rather than a different "outsider" division. There does need to be more space for beginners, but I'm not sure how to deal with the "win at costs, must level everyone down" either... In gymnastics you can stop this because it is an individual sport, but it gets much more complicated with teams and gyms.
I agree, expansion at the bottom would be ideal. Level 2 and 3 junior divisions are consistently very large. With full team elite skills becoming the norm, I could easily see level 1-3 basic/elite skills divided and made into Beginner, 1,2, and 3. From solely a business perspective, however, I don't know if expanding at the bottom would provide gym owners enough additional income to offset the possible additional expense in time slots and coaches that might be needed.

As far as expanding at the top, unlike other sports, in AS cheer you basically age out and either make a college team or stop cheering. Expansion at the top would help them retain some of that lost income, would possibly help smaller gyms retain their higher level athletes, as well as, expanded older athlete population equals expanded free marketing via SM for gyms and the industry.
 
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