All-Star What's Happening At Rockstar

[mommadonna]

You could say I'm supporting the issue. One of tolerance

You do you, but I couldn’t see myself being tolerant of any kind of mistreatment of my child. I don’t care who it is or what sexual orientation, etc they identify with. Their orientation has zero to do with it, imho. Identifying as whatever someone identifies as is ZERO excuse for acting crappy. Just speaking to your story. I love your forgiving, kind, and tolerant spirit here, don’t get me wrong. Again...I’m only speaking to your story and not the rest of the issue at hand here. I will wait for definitive proof on that one way or the other.

 

[oncecoolcoachnowmom]

Sidenote: I wandered over to their IG and I saw comments on people still waiting for Posh Ponies ordered in SEPTEMBER. Whoa.

 

[Fiercecheermom]

Sidenote: I wandered over to their IG and I saw comments on people still waiting for Posh Ponies ordered in SEPTEMBER. Whoa.

They needed to cancel those orders after 2 months of waiting

 

[mecheermom]

Not sure what PP has to do with Rockstar. Guess it’s a thread hijack op.

As for RS - IF the bullying happened then shame on those athletes. IF it didn’t then shame on the accuser. There are 3 sides to every story and until I see some convincing proof I will not accuse anyone of anything. I have learned not to be too quick to jump on a bandwagon regardless of the situation.


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[FloridaFlya]

AR has messaged somebody on Twitter saying she knew about teammates talking badly about her (Accuser) but wasn’t aware of any messages or messaging going on.

Yes. The accuser has been to several gyms and has made the same claims about other athletes from those gyms in the past.

The tough part is what direction do we assume? We shouldn’t. It’s very possible she is the issue considering how many gyms have had difficulties with both her and her mother about a variation of things from payment to bullying. But considering who she is, I wouldn’t doubt there are people out there who would harass her without proper reason. Unfortunately, people do discriminate and they can hide in the bodies of senior all star worlds cheerleaders. We’ve seen racist remarks come from some well known “Cheerlebrities” that have shocked us.

Hard situation. But as others have said, if she is telling the truth, I hope Rockstar will handle it. If not, then what a shame anyone is wasting their energies.

 

[oncecoolcoachnowmom]

ETA: If her team mates actually dont like her, maybe it's because of something that's completely separate from her gender identity and someone presented it as being transphobic so she doesn't look bad.

This could also be true. I have HS students of a variety of orientations and identities. In mediation and such. Sometimes, at the center of a conflict is bullying about their orientation.

Sometimes, it's not and it's something else entirely.

Student: "They don't like me because I'm gay."

Me sometimes: "Honey, you threatened on snapchat to 'Straight punch Molly's a** when u see her.' Not sure that gay is the issue."

Who knows what's going on here.


(Disclaimer: never ok to resort to racism or transphobia when people suck.)

 

[TheDivineCheerYaYaSecret]

I'm done with all this. There is no evidence that any of this occurred. I do not think that any program is perfect and I do not think that there every athlete, coach or parent is perfect. I am not a drinker of kool-aid of any color and I never have been. Ask me anything about the situation and if I can answer with full knowledge then I will. If I cannot answer with full knowledge then I will not. I am the parent of a Rockstar Beatle and I was the team mom. Cautionary note: there are other things that occurred with the athlete claiming that she was bullied and that she was in a transphobic environment that could easily be shared by athletes, coaches and parents on the team and from the gym but has not been shared. No one at Rockstar is looking to tarnish anyone's reputation.

 

[mommadonna]

A few of you mentioned “the victim.” I believe the real victims in all of this are the athletes on that team who are innocent of any wrongdoing and have been there all along with each other working their tails off to make that team great...the athletes who show up and give it 110% of their effort and energy, and the ones who work without complaining and get the job done. They have sacrificed a lot to that team, and they deserve every ring and medal they have earned. Imagine if any of you were in that position, earned the ultimate goal, then had a bunch of bs drama thrown in YOUR face about how “trashy” and “problematic” your team is. That’s those kids’ FAMILY. I guarantee you none of those kids asked your opinion. THOSE KIDS are the ones we need to be defending.

 

[oncecoolcoachnowmom]

I got sucked in a little and took a peek at her social media.

I look at kids' social media often when they come in with bullying accusations.

Very rarely do you see: "teammate pics, love my teammate posts, teammates omg worlds" everything leading up to 3 weeks ago and quite suddenly "I hate these people and they hate me because I'm trans."

Verdict: This is probably a very real falling out between teammates - but it probably has nothing to do with transphobic bullying.

 

[Lisa Seye]

Not sure what PP has to do with Rockstar. Guess it’s a thread hijack op.

As for RS - IF the bullying happened then shame on those athletes. IF it didn’t then shame on the accuser. There are 3 sides to every story and until I see some convincing proof I will not accuse anyone of anything. I have learned not to be too quick to jump on a bandwagon regardless of the situation.


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Lol the connection being this athlete used to work for PP or rep PP and that is why she was mean to my kiddo when my kiddo went with someone else's pony. Sorry for the hijack

 

[TheDivineCheerYaYaSecret]

I got sucked in a little and took a peek at her social media.

I look at kids' social media often when they come in with bullying accusations.

Very rarely do you see: "teammate pics, love my teammate posts, teammates omg worlds" everything leading up to 3 weeks ago and quite suddenly "I hate these people and they hate me because I'm trans."

Verdict: This is probably a very real falling out between teammates - but it probably has nothing to do with transphobic bullying.

Very rational thinking. All of it has been, in my OPINION, a falling out between an athlete and their teammates. I have never been witness too, or seen any evidence of, any bullying or transphobic behavior towards the accusing athlete. Do I know 100% that it never occurred? I do not. Based on my very involved experience with Beatles this season I find it unlikely. I also have not seen any evidence that it did occur. What I have seen is a few athletes, the Beatles, and Rockstar Cheer being tarred and feathered on social media with no evidence of the accusing behavior(s) posted anywhere.

 

[Eyes On The Prize]

This could also be true. I have HS students of a variety of orientations and identities. In mediation and such. Sometimes, at the center of a conflict is bullying about their orientation.

Sometimes, it's not and it's something else entirely.

Student: "They don't like me because I'm gay."

Me sometimes: "Honey, you threatened on snapchat to 'Straight punch Molly's a** when u see her.' Not sure that gay is the issue."

Who knows what's going on here.

"Besides, I heard Molly takes Muay Thai. Straight punching her seems like Bad Life Choices™. Maybe you would like to reconsider your options here."

It just irks me when people create conflict and disguise it as discrimination when they're just being a jerk. It makes it harder for people who are actually discriminated against to be believed and receive help. You're doing more harm than good.

So, sorry for not believing this story at face value, between the lack of evidence and the past history of the "accused", but actual people are affected by this stuff and lives are destroyed because people couldn't get the help they needed. I have very low sympathy for people who contribute to this problem, especially when they're apart of a group that faces discrimination. You know what the stakes are and yet you chose to contribute to the problem? No.

And, if this is personal conflict, rather than discrimination, the fallout of the lie has hurt the athletes who are being attacked on Twitter and, whether you like Rockstar or not, other people's home and community.

 

[TheDivineCheerYaYaSecret]

Are they doing anything about the trans hate that seems endemic on Beatles? I don't know if AS teams can/will cut for social media bullying (some could argue that's their "personal life" and thus not grounds for cutting), but it seems like that's where they need to start. It's never okay to bully your own teammate. Or bully, period.

I don't know everyone's feelings about trans athletes. I'm not here to discuss that. But my bottom line is that their coach put the athlete in question on the team -- a team that just won Worlds with her help -- and her teammates need to respect that. It's so gross to me that instead of enjoying their victory, they're instead eager to indulge their uneducated ideology that they've seemingly been fostering all year. Lots of kids could've taken being put on a team with a trans athlete as an opportunity to learn and change their worldview, but the perpetrators in this situation seem eager to hang onto their ignorance and hate. And for what? Do they think they're right in this situation? In the HISTORY OF THE WORLD, have the people who've persecuted another group of people ever come out looking like the heroes?

Sheesh.

That being said, a part of me feels bad for the gym at large and the uninvolved athletes on Beatles. Just as they get over their questionable reputation, a few bad apples on Beatles set the place up in flames again.

So are they doing anything about this or are they just going to release a statement saying they don't tolerate bullying and then put the exact same bigots on the team again? What would your program do?

These are good points if the accusations are correct and can be proven with actual evidence. To date I have seen nothing that provides evidence that the supposed bullying/transphobic behavior occurred at all. If actual evidence can be presented then I am eager for it to be presented. This all started on social media last Wednesday. It has been almost an entire week and to my knowledge there is still no actual evidence that these behaviors occurred.

 

[TheDivineCheerYaYaSecret]

ETA: the linked tweet below is super profane but was the only one I could find that contained the messages.

It came out recently that Rockstar athletes were bullying their transgender female teammate via anonymous social media messages that were made public. Then one teammate in particular admitted to the messages, then basically said “Oops nm lol” when he faced the backlash. Then it came out that basically this team has been awful to her for some time (which I don’t know if that’s true, but I do know that only one of her teammates has apologized for the others’ behavior). Then of course Rockstar put out an offical statement saying that they don’t tolerate bullying whatever whatever etc., but it’s left a lot of people wondering wth is going on at that gym.

Here’s a rundown. It’s from an anon account, but it’s accurate.

The messages you posted here are anonymous. Apparently more than one person has offered to pay YOLO to determine who the "anonymous" person is that made these posts. I understand that the owners of Rockstar Cheer offered to pay for this to be done and the accuser and her mother refused to allow that to happen. I do not know if that is true. I did see on Twitter an anon state that they would pay to have this done. Another anon that is defending the accuser told the first anon to do it themselves which I believe cannot happen because that anon does not own the account to which the anonymous messages were sent. I do now that the accuser and the mother blocked the anon that offered to pay to determine who actually sent the posts. The screen shots you posted here are not evidence. Literally anyone could have sent them, anyone. An interesting question is why would the accuser and her mother not want to allow someone to pay for the identity of the person that sent these messages to be discovered? Why have they not done that themselves? I am not entirely sure if that can even be done but if my child had received those messages I would move mountains to determine who had sent them if at all possible. I would never blast anyone in person, on the phone, through text, and certainly never on social media without knowing 100% that the person was actually responsible for the messages.
You also say here that the person responsible for the messages admitted publicly to writing and sending them. Where is that? Please post it here so that I can see it.
You also say that a teammate apologized for the other's behavior. I saw that two athletes posted that they were sorry the accuser had a hard time and that they were sorry for that. Neither of those posts say that the bullying/transphobic behavior occurred. What they do say is that those two athletes felt badly that the accuser had a hard time and that they cared for her.
Then you say that Rockstar put out an official statement saying that they don't tolerate bullying "whatever whatever etc." They did put out an official statement saying that they do not tolerate bullying or transphobic behavior and that they support all people in their gym. That is a fact and they do not tolerate those behaviors and they do support all people in their gym.
You then say that all of it has "left a lot of people wondering wth is going on in that gym." I'm sure there are. I am here to let people know and to answer any questions they may have about this case in particular or about the gym or these athletes. If I cannot answer with full knowledge I will say that I do not have full knowledge and facts and I will let you know that I do not.

 

[TheDivineCheerYaYaSecret]

Are they doing anything about the trans hate that seems endemic on Beatles? I don't know if AS teams can/will cut for social media bullying (some could argue that's their "personal life" and thus not grounds for cutting), but it seems like that's where they need to start. It's never okay to bully your own teammate. Or bully, period.

I don't know everyone's feelings about trans athletes. I'm not here to discuss that. But my bottom line is that their coach put the athlete in question on the team -- a team that just won Worlds with her help -- and her teammates need to respect that. It's so gross to me that instead of enjoying their victory, they're instead eager to indulge their uneducated ideology that they've seemingly been fostering all year. Lots of kids could've taken being put on a team with a trans athlete as an opportunity to learn and change their worldview, but the perpetrators in this situation seem eager to hang onto their ignorance and hate. And for what? Do they think they're right in this situation? In the HISTORY OF THE WORLD, have the people who've persecuted another group of people ever come out looking like the heroes?

Sheesh.

That being said, a part of me feels bad for the gym at large and the uninvolved athletes on Beatles. Just as they get over their questionable reputation, a few bad apples on Beatles set the place up in flames again.

So are they doing anything about this or are they just going to release a statement saying they don't tolerate bullying and then put the exact same bigots on the team again? What would your program do?

Edited because it did not give me the space to respond in this post.

You say here that the athletes are "eager to indulge their uneducated idealogy that they've seemingly fostered all year." Do you know any of the athletes on Beatles this past season? I do. I know every single one of them including the accuser and her mother. I know them all very well. What do you know about how any of the athletes reacted to being on a team with a transgender human being? Every single one of those athletes had been on a team with a transgender human being this last season. They competed with her at Battle Under the Bigtop in Atlanta this past December. They have known this athlete and offered nothing but love and support for this athlete the entire time they have known her and continue to do so now. In fact, they all celebrated and cried tears of joy with her at Battle Under the Bigtop in full support of her and who she was. She was unable to continue on the team because of personal reasons so Scott Foster put out a post on social media that the team needed a strong backspot and that is when the accuser joined the team.
The athletes have been trying to enjoy their Worlds win and they are but the accuser has made that very difficult with all of this on social media. Social media has jumped on an unproven claim and has self-righteously played judge, jury, and executioner (figuratively).
You ask if they (Rockstar I assume) are just going to putout a statement and then put the exact same bigots on the team again. Who exactly are you saying is a bigot? My child? Identify those you say are bigots.
The uninvolved athletes on the team are the team.
I will happily address your comments about the unquestionable reputation of the gym because there were two incidents that were mistakes and that did have an effect on the reputation of the gym. Quite frankly they should have. Let's take a hard look at the reputation of the gym and what has been happening there since those two events occurred. I have been there the entire time. I have walked though every single bit of it. I can share my full experiences with all of
that. I am happy to share my full experiences about all of that because the transformation and growth that has taken place in everyone that is a part of the gym and in the gym itself has been nothing less than wonderful. It was hell to go through but I can say that I am no thankful for all of it and that we all went through it. It has made us all better people and it has been a blessing witness the growth and transformation that has occurred there.