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[dat.jpp]

confused of what competition brands are varsity and what competition brands are not varsity. Is everything owned by varsity? (except USASF) Someone please help me with this.

 

[ATCTammy]

confused of what competition brands are varsity and what competition brands are not varsity. Is everything owned by varsity? (except USASF) Someone please help me with this.

Go to varsity.com and It will tel you what companies they own.

 

[luv2cheer92]

confused of what competition brands are varsity and what competition brands are not varsity. Is everything owned by varsity? (except USASF) Someone please help me with this.

Cheer and Dance Competitions - Varsity.com

All of these brands are Varsity. Anything else you see is not. There are a decent number of non-Varsity brands out there. The IEP is a group of independent (non varsity) EPs/brands that kind of bonded together "against" Varsity. Here is the site that better explains them and has all their brands/comps.

IEP Cheer & Dance | Independent Event Producers

 

[DonePaying4Cheer]

That was what I was thinking. And I know for fact more then one of those girls have promoted a product before their all star careers were over - however @MyGirlCheers brings up a good point as well. Differentiating sports could be a loophole these athletes fall into?

Promoted a product for cheer or acro? If it's cheer, it probably doesn't make a difference, especially if she's no longer sponsoring any products. Is she still involved with cheer at all?

 

[OnceUponACheerleader]

Promoted a product for cheer or acro? If it's cheer, it probably doesn't make a difference, especially if she's no longer sponsoring any products. Is she still involved with cheer at all?

Promoting products in general (ie. tea/supplements/clothing lines...). The no-longer sponsoring any products is what i thought would make it okay for those previous cheerleaders, however @ScottyB 's post suggests that if they have ever been involved in a sponsorship deal- they could lose scholarship money.

 

[DonePaying4Cheer]

Promoting products in general (ie. tea/supplements/clothing lines...). The no-longer sponsoring any products is what i thought would make it okay for those previous cheerleaders, however @ScottyB 's post suggests that if they have ever been involved in a sponsorship deal- they could lose scholarship money.

Well that would be like saying that a child actor couldn't get a basketball scholarship for college, b/c they did a commercial for diapers or skittles. That doesn't sound right. But, what do I know?

 

[MissCongeniality]

Well that would be like saying that a child actor couldn't get a basketball scholarship for college, b/c they did a commercial for diapers or skittles. That doesn't sound right. But, what do I know?

Amateurism | NCAA.org - The Official Site of the NCAA

Amateurism review
The following activities may impact your amateur status:

• Signing a contract with a professional team
• Playing with professionals
• Participating in tryouts or practices with a professional team
• Accepting payments or preferential benefits for playing sports
• Accepting prize money above your expenses
• Accepting benefits from an agent or prospective agent
• Agreeing to be represented by an agent
• Delaying your full-time college enrollment to play in organized sports competitions

So... I did some modeling/acting/commercials but I also was a competitive athlete in college. How? I did not represent myself as Suzy the Cheerleader in my work. I wasn't getting paid for being "me" (for the opposite thing Wheaties commercial with someone like Marylou Retton... She is getting paid for being HER)

What can get tough is the area of scholarships.... believe it or not many sports rely on other types of scholarships for their athletes (not just athletic scholarships) some of these scholarships may have financial guidelines (how much income you can be making in order to qualify)

 

[cheerKT]

What can get tough is the area of scholarships.... believe it or not many sports rely on other types of scholarships for their athletes (not just athletic scholarships) some of these scholarships may have financial guidelines (how much income you can be making in order to qualify)

Correct. I'll use the South Carolina baseball program as an example since I'm familiar. The program has a roster of 35, but only 11 or so full athletic scholarships to split among players. 27 of the 35 on the roster see that money in some form. Some aren't scholarshipped at all, some are partial and some are partial and supported by something else, such as an academic scholarship. If a player is on a full academic scholarship, they may be removed from the athletic scholarship to free up that money for another player.

More often than not football and men's basketball are the only teams that actually profit for an athletic department. (At least that's the case at more large universities)

 

[OnceUponACheerleader]

Amateurism | NCAA.org - The Official Site of the NCAA

Amateurism review
The following activities may impact your amateur status:

• Signing a contract with a professional team
• Playing with professionals
• Participating in tryouts or practices with a professional team
• Accepting payments or preferential benefits for playing sports
• Accepting prize money above your expenses
• Accepting benefits from an agent or prospective agent
• Agreeing to be represented by an agent
• Delaying your full-time college enrollment to play in organized sports competitions

So... I did some modeling/acting/commercials but I also was a competitive athlete in college. How? I did not represent myself as Suzy the Cheerleader in my work. I wasn't getting paid for being "me" (for the opposite thing Wheaties commercial with someone like Marylou Retton... She is getting paid for being HER)

What can get tough is the area of scholarships.... believe it or not many sports rely on other types of scholarships for their athletes (not just athletic scholarships) some of these scholarships may have financial guidelines (how much income you can be making in order to qualify)

So excuse me as I might not just be grasping it properly. OBVIOUSLY these girls qualified for their scholarships as they are NCAA athletes still. But I guess I am confused because if it wasn't for all-star cheer, they wouldn't have had their 'fame' and thus probably wouldn't have had the social media following etc, which attracted the brand to use them as a promoter in the first place (which i would see as preferential benefits for playing sports)? To your point lots of these girls DID brand themselves as gymname_firstnamelastname (not exactly, but you get the idea).
There has to have been a fine line of okay.. and not okay. I guess I just wont understand it unless I had their contract terminology in front of me.

 

[Ashley]

So excuse me as I might not just be grasping it properly. OBVIOUSLY these girls qualified for their scholarships as they are NCAA athletes still. But I guess I am confused because if it wasn't for all-star cheer, they wouldn't have had their 'fame' and thus probably wouldn't have had the social media following etc, which attracted the brand to use them as a promoter in the first place (which i would see as preferential benefits for playing sports)? To your point lots of these girls DID brand themselves as gymname_firstnamelastname (not exactly, but you get the idea).
There has to have been a fine line of okay.. and not okay. I guess I just wont understand it unless I had their contract terminology in front of me.

A&T isn't an NCAA sport. They're not NCAA Athletes.

 

[DonePaying4Cheer]

A&T isn't an NCAA sport. They're not NCAA Athletes.

Also Acro isn't Cheerleading. Marylou is on the Wheaties box, as a gymnast. That's why she's relevant. She did not do commercials for any other sport. So, if she were a college student trying to get a gymnastics scholarship, she would not be eligible, b/c she profited from the sport. But, if you were photographed as a kid, wearing Tike Bros, telling people, "hey I like Tike Bros." as long as you were not representing yourself as an Acro athlete, or another NCAA sport personality, instead of the regular cheer girl from a private cheer club, that you are, it should not matter. That's what I inferred from what I read. Anyway, it doesn't matter. This kid is on scholarships, so her school,so they figured it out!.

 

[MissCongeniality]

Also Acro isn't Cheerleading. Marylou is on the Wheaties box, as a gymnast. That's why she's relevant. She did not do commercials for any other sport. So, if she were a college student trying to get a gymnastics scholarship, she would not be eligible, b/c she profited from the sport. But, if you were photographed as a kid, wearing Tike Bros, telling people, "hey I like Tike Bros." as long as you were not representing yourself as an Acro athlete, or another NCAA sport personality, instead of the regular cheer girl from a private cheer club, that you are, it should not matter. That's what I inferred from what I read. Anyway, it doesn't matter. This kid is on scholarships, so her school,so they figured it out!.

I guess I am confused by what you are asking or trying to figure out? Because cheer/A&T etc. is not considered an NCAA sport... it does not fall under the current NCAA rules regarding Amateur status when it comes to recruiting and scholarships. Gymnastics is an NCAA sport which is why the rules apply and the gymnasts have to be so much more careful about their money making activities.

 

[OnceUponACheerleader]

I guess I am confused by what you are asking or trying to figure out? Because cheer/A&T etc. is not considered an NCAA sport... it does not fall under the current NCAA rules regarding Amateur status when it comes to recruiting and scholarships. Gymnastics is an NCAA sport which is why the rules apply and the gymnasts have to be so much more careful about their money making activities.

You are correct - which is what cleared everything up. I was under the impression that A&T was an NCAA sport - thus causing all the confusion.

Carry on.... :oops:

 

[SharkDad]

NCATA is a full-fledged varsity sport at each of it's universities and attempting to get emerging sport status. I read a post recently that there are more NCATA schools then STUNT school. STUNT has been turned down at every school I know of that they approached to try to get varsity sport status by the ADs because they saw that a company was running the entire competition system.

I've been wondering about this for a while. STUNT was initially completely sponsored by Varsity (uniforms, competitions, etc.). Remove that and without any Title IX consideration why would a school do it? They have been clever in getting "declared" as a sport competition system by NFHS and in some states like Florida. This is probably largely because NFHS has been included in the "board" of USA Cheer, but that begs the question of how much inclusion there is over control? Has anyone heard how that is going?

 

[Nikaa]

Since cheer and A & T are actually two different (albeit similar) things, does NCAA distinguish between sports? For example, could an athlete be a "pro" tennis player but still play NCAA volleyball? Also, since cheer isn't technically a sport, does that make a difference? I could be a "pro" scuba diver and still dive or swim for NCAA, correct?

Amy Chow went pro for gymnastics and got Stanfrod scholarship as competitive diver. So yes. You could be a pro scuba diver and still swim for ncaa with a scolarship.

Also a gymnastics blog wrote about this topic a year ago and she said the 5 five year old Sophia who has 300k+ instagram followers already lost her ncaa gymnastics eligibility for promoting gymnastics stuff.