- Dec 15, 2009
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Even a bad universal should produce consistent results everyone could strive for.
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So long as bad technique and breaking rules is getting penalized in some way
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Even a bad universal should produce consistent results everyone could strive for.
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Soory I think this b/c every team should focus on every section equally and not just certain sectionsBring back 10's across the board or NCA score sheet!
I think the problem is that staffs across the country do not know what the scoresheet is really looking for until they see the judging decsions after the prelims at Worlds. If there were a series of competitions that defined to the best of the regional and national judging panels abilities what the World's panel and scoresheet was going to reward, the staffs and teams could commit to the skills and level of execution that they knew were rewarded by the panels leading up to Worlds and ask the Worlds' panels to hold to the judging standards and decisions during the year for that competion. The actual judging on the standardized sheet would define the judging at Worlds as the season progressed and allow teams and staffs to let the routine evolve to what scored the best and gave them the best chance to win.
Get a copy of the Worlds brochure. It talks about the judges. Info about my cheer experience is at http://andrejcarter.com/spirit and non cheer stuff is http://andrejcarter.com/about/. I'm not out of the ordinary of the type of people that judge Worlds.
I think the problem is that staffs across the country do not know what the scoresheet is really looking for until they see the judging decsions after the prelims at Worlds. If there were a series of competitions that defined to the best of the regional and national judging panels abilities what the World's panel and scoresheet was going to reward, the staffs and teams could commit to the skills and level of execution that they knew were rewarded by the panels leading up to Worlds and ask the Worlds' panels to hold to the judging standards and decisions during the year for that competion. The actual judging on the standardized sheet would define the judging at Worlds as the season progressed and allow teams and staffs to let the routine evolve to what scored the best and gave them the best chance to win.
You've seen me argue for universal scoresheets well back into last year so I'm right there with you.
But the event producers must enforce all techniques, legalities, and rules violations through scoring, deductionsand disqualifications.
When people are affected by their finals placing, they will follow the rules. We get mad at the USASF, but they don't have an unlimited staff to police these things. They put the rules out, the EPs have the budget to ensure teams follow them otherwise people should not attend those competitions.
i agree 100%.Not "minimized"... it's still worth more than every other area on the score sheet except stunts. Why would that harm tumbling business? Name more than 5 gyms nationwide who legitimately have full team, maxed out tumbling? No one. So it's not reducing your tumbling numbers, it's just a way to help with avoiding so many injuries. We're not going to see all of those "doubles" that are landing with legs crossed and 1 3/4 rotation, because they'll be perfecting their fulls instead. It's even helpful in level 1-2. Think about it, how many times do you see janky back walkovers with bent legs and such in Level 1? Or crunched up bhs in Level 2? Coaches wouldn't be as likely to put these gross looking skills in to beef up their majority numbers if the tumbling were worth a bit less
Not "minimized"... it's still worth more than every other area on the score sheet except stunts. Why would that harm tumbling business? Name more than 5 gyms nationwide who legitimately have full team, maxed out tumbling? No one. So it's not reducing your tumbling numbers, it's just a way to help with avoiding so many injuries. We're not going to see all of those "doubles" that are landing with legs crossed and 1 3/4 rotation, because they'll be perfecting their fulls instead. It's even helpful in level 1-2. Think about it, how many times do you see janky back walkovers with bent legs and such in Level 1? Or crunched up bhs in Level 2? Coaches wouldn't be as likely to put these gross looking skills in to beef up their majority numbers if the tumbling were worth a bit less
Acro gymnasts stunt...I think stunting should be worth more, considering were the only sport that stunts. Like gymnasts and dancers tumble too. Ya knoww?