All-Star Allstar Resort/block Party

[cheeromgbre]

Who gave these kids alcohol in the first place?

Why didnt anyone get arrested?

 

[Just-a-Mom]

I wonder how the gym(s), who these cheerleaders were representing, are dealing with this. I would hope they would remove them from thier team and gym.

I'm not so sure I see that happening though.

Who gave these kids alcohol in the first place?

Why didnt anyone get arrested?

Ah the unanswered questions of EVERY YEAR. Sigh...

(To my knowledge none of the gyms do anything - usually half the people involved are coaches. I think that's where a lot of the alcohol comes from too. Don't forget - a lot of these coaches are barely out of their teens themselves. Probably not the best decision makers. Not smart to put them in charge of a group of kids practically their age)

 

[ztaprincess]

A lot of these athletes get alcohol from the coaches who still party with them (which is tacky as can be) or the spectators that are there who are over 21 and bring alcohol with them.

How many gyms have chaperones? Those chaperones could be parents who keep an eye on these athletes from the time everyone is up until everyone goes to sleep.
When I went on a school trip to Disney with my show choir our teacher did the tape on the door trick. When they said everyone in their rooms we all went and once the door was closed there was tape put on the outside. If that tape was broken they knew someone left that room. We also had the parents who went take turns as like a night watchman who made sure if someone needed to leave the room they could let that parent know so they wouldn't get in trouble.

I don't want to sound like I am a prude who things no one should have fun. I think everyone should have fun at worlds, but there has to be a stop to this behavior. Every year there is talk and pictures of drunk athletes being sloppy and embarrassing themselves. Those pictures don't go away they are there on the internet forever whether you believe it or not.

 

[Just-a-Mom]

i could be wrong but i'm pretty sure that if there was a lawsuit then the person who provided the alcohol to the underage kids would be liable. and tumbling while they are drinking?!? :eek:

as for them acting crazy and not being welcomed back, in this industry we weigh each piece of business coming to the properties. hockey teams are notrious for tearing up a hotel. if it's great business then we take it but have extra security on staff and extra managers. if something gets broken we have cameras and can narrow it down to which sleeping room the kids went into and charge the parents for the damage. i'm sure if we can do it, disney can as well. they prob have more cameras than a casino.

Yes I've worked in this business too and I've never seen such a cluster **** of unorganized-ness! :eek: And yes, the provider of the alcohol would be liable too, but since that's probably some 21 year old kid, they wouldn't get far suing them. Probably just a contributing charge. Lawyers name EVERYONE within a 10 mile radius in a lawsuit and hope something sticks.

I don't expect much from USASF, as they have repeatedly shown that their decision making and leadership skills leave something to be desired. But I would think Disney of all companies would be smarter than this. Then again...true story: A few years ago my cp and I went to Disney and stayed in one of those concierge buildings where they have free liquor in the lobby of the building. I was in the pool and sent my daughter to get me a drink. I WAS JOKING and asked her to pour some amaretto in a glass and bring it to me. Then I said "Haha and when that doesn't work out, bring me a Diet Coke." Lo and behold she came back 3 minutes later with the Amaretto. :eek::confused::eek: She was 11. I fussed at her because I was kidding and why did she know what amaretto was and how dare she actually pour that etc. etc. etc. But I still can't get over a resort that size not even noticing a CHILD getting a drink. Now, shame on me for sending her (bad parenting - lesson learned) but SOMEONE should have noticed, no???

So I'm sticking with what I said last year. Dear Disney and USASF - you are a lawsuit waiting to happen. I'd even hazard a guess that they have happened and that we just don't know about them because they were "swept under the rug" with settlements.

 

[notimeforthat]

I sure know that my cp will not ever step foot into the "block party"!
But Im sure large groups such as cheerleading worlds convey on disney all the time, baseball, football, band etc. I'm quite surprised that they don't have a policy in effect on this already. Cheerleaders can't be the only fools that act this way??

 

[CharlotteASMom]

I was just on the phone with a friend discussing this and you can probably check my posts every year right after Worlds and see that I write the exact same thing.

I do not think this is a USASF or Disney problem but a gym culture issue. Gyms that enforce curfews, have a zero tolerance rule for alcohol/drugs and enforce consequences for unacceptable behavior do not have these issues 99% of the time. There are FAR too many gyms that have a set of rules in place but look the other way when there is bad behavior. These things wouldn't happen if kids knew their position on the team was in jeopardy by breaking rules and the coaches actually followed through by removing them.

Gym owners, you want the USASF to loosen control and give the sport back to you? Then the first step is by taking control of your own program. Rant over....

 

[carlykayyy]

I am in no way condoning what happened... Shoot, I wasn't even there. Maybe this is just my college student mentality speaking right now, but no matter what anyone says, kids are going to do what they want when there is little supervision and alcohol readily available. Sure, you can blame it on bad parenting or coaching but at the end of the day it's the athletes who made the decision to drink and behave poorly. Athletes and their spectator friends who are under/around 21 years old greatly outnumber any the parents and coaches there, so when things take a turn for the worst it's going to be near impossible to stop it without authority figures coming in.

The only way I see any of this stopping is STRICT enforcement from Disney. After all, these are their grounds this all happened on.

 

[ssccxnce]

So why don't you stop following/be friends with these folks and you won't have to subject yourself to it? Seems like a simple answer to me.

dont worry i did ;), i guess i just never understood why people think its cool or cute to post pictures and messages when they are completely hammered i mean yeah drink whatever have fun i just dont see why everybody else needs to see it? especially when it follows you around nowadays

 

[CharlotteASMom]

@carlykayy I'm not jumping on you, only the concept because this is said a lot when this thread comes up.

I've never really bought into the argument that "kids will be kids" and drink no matter what. There are just too many athletes out there that don't make those choices. I purposely haven't mentioned gyms here but we all saw tweets last night like "My kids are not allowed to go to the block party" or "Remember your curfew" and you rarely (if ever) hear of issues with those gyms. I like how one coach said "If they don't like it they can go somewhere else". Imagine if every coach did this?

 

[ztaprincess]

The USASF is told to stop trying to control what the gym owners and coaches do so this is not a USASF problem this is a problem with athletes and gyms not keeping them under control. When awards wrap up on Sunday night that doesn't mean the coaches no longer control what the athletes do. Those athletes are still there with money paid by an EP to that gym which means they are still there with the gym representing the gym.
The excuse of kids will be kids and they will do what they want anyway doesn't fly with me. Sure some will continue to act out, but that doesn't mean something shouldn't be done. If the USASF steps in you know gym owners and athletes will play the victim when they are the ones pushing it that far. If I had my way I would crack down on this 100%. There would be no block party and there would be security to make sure everyone is under control and in their rooms by a certain time. There is a time and a place for thing. Worlds is not spring break in Cancun where you can act wild and crazy at all hours.

 

[canttouchthis]

drinking a little bit at a party? sure that fine but you at least need to be 21 while most people arnt and i can say from experience most of the kids getting trashed are 18-20 once you turn 21 the "coolness" effect drops. if we would act like Europe and handle it like they do we would be a lot better off

 

[Hodiestoe]

drinking a little bit at a party? sure that fine but you at least need to be 21 while most people arnt and i can say from experience most of the kids getting trashed are 18-20 once you turn 21 the "coolness" effect drops. if we would act like Europe and handle it like they do we would be a lot better off

Oh I don't know that we handle it any better here. The UK had a MASSIVE binge drinking culture and all that happens is 14/15 yr olds get absolutely rotten drunk. My 15/16 year olds leave training on a Friday at 7pm, go home, get changed and go out and get absolutely wasted. I gave a girl a lift home on Fri and she says her mum buys her the alcohol o.O I"m not going to go into it only to say I am 100% dead against it.

 

[canttouchthis]

Oh I don't know that we handle it any better here. The UK had a MASSIVE binge drinking culture and all that happens is 14/15 yr olds get absolutely rotten drunk. My 15/16 year olds leave training on a Friday at 7pm, go home, get changed and go out and get absolutely wasted. I gave a girl a lift home on Fri and she says her mum buys her the alcohol :confused: I"m not going to go into it only to say I am 100% dead against it.

well yeah im sure there are drawbacks, but when you legalize certain drinks for minors. say like in Germany sure they might get drunk but dont they have to be with a parent?

 

[GreatWhite92]

I have already stated on this board more than once that my mother accidentally took 50 of her band kids to disney last year during worlds and was the worst mistake of her life. Besides the fact that she had a bunch of 8th grade boys with high school girls in sports bras and spanks running around...nothing good can come of that. She said cheerleaders were the most rude people she has ever had to deal with and she has been going to competitions since 2000 and said this was the worst one shes ever seen. She had parents who knew I was there for worlds with her and actually asked her why she ever allow me to participate in something like this and was absolutely embarrassed by that comment. These parents knew nothing of cheer but I can definitly tell you they will not be signing up their kids because of the behavior they wittness. We really want to grow the sport than we need to stop going to family oriented places like disney and acting like the rebellious children that no one loves.

Heres my rules for Disney:
1. DO NOT let your teammates cut line with you. That honestly was my mothers biggest complaint. She said so many times a huge group of people would cut line in front of them to be with their teammates and when she said something to them they looked at her and sometimes even said something like "what are you going to do about it?" ITS RUDE!
2. Stating the obvious....dont drink or do drugs...there is really nothing else that needs to be said with that.
3. I know when you practice everyone has their cute little outfits and such but please do not wear them to the parks or be walking around in your sports bra and spanks all day. Again, imagine trying to deal with 8th grade boys while all that is walking around...not pretty. Not to mention you have 8th GRADE BOYS staring and you and most likely fantasizing about you....ew.
4. do not yell and scream and run all over the resort at night. Some people do have little kids who need to sleep and are there for a good time with their family.
5. Just remember you are not only representing your gym but are representing cheerleaders as a whole. Do you really wanna be the reason someone doesn't let their child cheer because she saw that trashy cheerleader running around with no clothes on, drunk, and making noise all night. Be responsible, stay classy, and most of all represent us well at all times...especially at disney when there is tons of people who are going to look at you and judge whether or not they could put their child in cheer.

 

[allstarmama]

I was just on the phone with a friend discussing this and you can probably check my posts every year right after Worlds and see that I write the exact same thing.

I do not think this is a USASF or Disney problem but a gym culture issue. Gyms that enforce curfews, have a zero tolerance rule for alcohol/drugs and enforce consequences for unacceptable behavior do not have these issues 99% of the time. There are FAR too many gyms that have a set of rules in place but look the other way when there is bad behavior. These things wouldn't happen if kids knew their position on the team was in jeopardy by breaking rules and the coaches actually followed through by removing them.

Gym owners, you want the USASF to loosen control and give the sport back to you? Then the first step is by taking control of your own program. Rant over....

Well, you can't kick out the kid with the double double now can ya? :cow:

In all seriousness though, I couldn't agree with you more. I see it with many gyms though...they turn a blind eye to bad behavior when it's a kid they need to keep.