All-Star Covid-19 / Varsity Response

[CheerItFullOut]

I think this is a bit of a misrepresentation about how scientific research and medical advice is performed. It’s not that we don’t know anything, it’s that as our sample size grows we move more from traditional treatment methodologies to more specialized ones. When this started we said we don’t know how to treat this coronavirus, but we know how to treat others so we’ll start with that. Then as more people get sick our knowledge of what is best grows and becomes more accurate.

This is conflicted by political and economic pressure pushing once trusted agencies to release data based on bad science that is now being refuted by those on the front lines and foreign research.

We are very much not in the dark about this. We may not be 100%, but to say we are in the dark is a gross oversimplification of the situation.

Also, I think putting experts in quotation marks makes it pretty clear where you stand in the issue. They are experts. Full stop. They have literal decades of education specifically in infectious disease and epidemiology.

1 in 1,000 Americans died from Covid-19 in the year 2020.

Be responsible, listen to the medical professionals, and get over the desire of wanting things to go back to normal.

If your state/gym will not enforce safe policies it is your job as a parent to enforce your own. Parents are not victims here.

The individualism of American society is exactly why we have failed so miserably at this, this virus has exposed so many of our known weaknesses.

Im with you on being responsible and listening to trusted medical professionals. Also fully support that if a business or state doesn’t enforce policy to where you feel safe you should enforce your own.

Telling people to “get over their desire to want normalcy” is a bit insensitive and unrealistic. Also, depressing.

Without that “Individualism” we wouldn’t have progressed to where we are today. It’s conformity and the unwillingness to challenge each other that oppresses the greatest ideas. If I read what you posted correctly you think Personal Liberty is why we are in the state we are in?!

I mean, I’ve looked at the data and I’ve got to be honest there aren’t many any other countries (Locked down or not) that are doing drastically better than us. (Again, that aren’t substantially smaller and surrounded by a body of water) Antarctica just got Covid... who left THAT fridge door open?

 

[catlady]

Im with you on being responsible and listening to trusted medical professionals. Also fully support that if a business or state doesn’t enforce policy to where you feel safe you should enforce your own.

Telling people to “get over their desire to want normalcy” is a bit insensitive and unrealistic. Also, depressing.

Without that “Individualism” we wouldn’t have progressed to where we are today. It’s conformity and the unwillingness to challenge each other that oppresses the greatest ideas. If I read what you posted correctly you think Personal Liberty is why we are in the state we are in?!

I mean, I’ve looked at the data and I’ve got to be honest there aren’t many any other countries (Locked down or not) that are doing drastically better than us. (Again, that aren’t substantially smaller and surrounded by a body of water) Antarctica just got Covid... who left THAT fridge door open?

People forget in America, many of our elderly go into Independent, Assisted, Memory, and Nursing Facilities. Depending on the area, you have up to 75% of total COVID19 state deaths coming from long term care facilities. <click here> From the article: Less than 1% (3,300,000) of the American population lives in long term care facilities, but as of December 24, 2020 this population accounts for 38% of all US COVID19 deaths.

@FamousxMindset if 38% of all COVID19 deaths have happened in long term facilities that have been locked down since March of 2020 with the exception of drive by, window or patio visits. How did our individualism influence this astronomical number?

ETA: I just want to clarify that wasn't meant to be a gotcha question. In the past two weeks, my mom's facility has sent her to the ER three times. She has dementia, so I am allowed in the ER. I asked the ER doctor if I should sign off on her getting the vaccine at her facility with her current state of health. "Yes" and he is the one that quoted the above statistic and said our elderly in long term facilities are not getting the regular healthcare and activity needed at their age during these lockdowns to help prevent ER visits. In and out of ER's heighten exposure to these facilities and it's a never ending cycle. He said if you look at the way they prioritized the vaccine, it will tell you everything about how experts (and algorithms) think they can stop the spread the fastest.

 

[Knowcheering]

Be responsible, listen to the medical professionals, and get over the desire of wanting things to go back to normal.

If your state/gym will not enforce safe policies it is your job as a parent to enforce your own. Parents are not victims here.

The individualism of American society is exactly why we have failed so miserably at this, this virus has exposed so many of our known weaknesses.

I agree about being responsible and taking precautions, but blaming our "individualism" for Covid is a stretch. The next country with the most Covid is India, not exactly the most "individualistic" place. Individualism is what makes America prosper. It's one of the reasons why the US is such an international travel destination (which surely brought in a lot of Covid).

Russia seems to be taking Covid much less seriously than the US, yet they have way fewer reported cases than us. Is it because they're more responsible? No, a lot of them don't wear masks. I'm assuming it has something to do with the fact that Russia is extremely spread out/less densely populated with a lot of remote areas (ie. Siberia).

I'm not sure how much we can really blame ourselves for viruses spreading. It's something that happens whether we try to stop it or not. We must take basic precautions, but there seems to be no sense in getting carried away. None of the lockdowns we did made the virus disappear; it only intensified since then.

1 in 1,000 Americans died from Covid-19 in the year 2020.

I agree we all should be taking this very seriously, but who knows how accurate that stat is. There have been plenty of rumblings of some hospitals inflating the Covid numbers because they get more money that way. Hospitals are businesses after all. Why has the flu seemingly disappeared entirely this year? It seems likely that some flu cases are getting mislabeled as Covid cases. And given the general age group/health of the people dying, how many of these people sadly died from other factors, but were simply labeled as Covid deaths? It's obviously sad for anybody to lose their life from this, but it doesn't seem the numbers are as scary as some want us to believe. We should be taking this situation seriously and taking precautions, but we also can't let ourselves be excessively paranoid to the point where we cease all functioning.

I've been to Cheersport several times and remember Building C clearly, but I don't remember ever even noticing a Building A (or a B). I tend to doubt they share a parking lot or would overlap if A does end up getting opened up for Covid purposes. The GWCC can certainly make a better judgement call on this than we can-- I'm sure they wouldn't allow other events to run concurrently if there weren't separate entrances, etc. But I really don't remember going near the other buildings.

 

[luv2cheer92]

I agree we all should be taking this very seriously, but who knows how accurate that stat is. There have been plenty of rumblings of some hospitals inflating the Covid numbers because they get more money that way. Hospitals are businesses after all. Why has the flu seemingly disappeared entirely this year? It seems likely that some flu cases are getting mislabeled as Covid cases. And given the general age group/health of the people dying, how many of these people sadly died from other factors, but were simply labeled as Covid deaths? It's obviously sad for anybody to lose their life from this, but it doesn't seem the numbers are as scary as some want us to believe. We should be taking this situation seriously and taking precautions, but we also can't let ourselves be excessively paranoid to the point where we cease all functioning.

Sorry, there's some misinformation in this paragraph. And the reason why there are less flu cases this year should be obvious. Hospitals are not getting any extra money for Covid deaths, there is no reason they would be exaggerating those numbers.

 

[all4sarah]

I've been to Cheersport several times and remember Building C clearly, but I don't remember ever even noticing a Building A (or a B). I tend to doubt they share a parking lot or would overlap if A does end up getting opened up for Covid purposes. The GWCC can certainly make a better judgement call on this than we can-- I'm sure they wouldn't allow other events to run concurrently if there weren't separate entrances, etc. But I really don't remember going near the other buildings.

We've been to Cheersport only twice but I remember there were at least 5 floors going at once, some in building B and some in building C. They are all connected by huge indoor walkways/hallways. Gym rooms and awards were in building A. The event will be very small this year if it happens so I'm sure they can limit it to one builing but in the past it took up most of GWCC.

 

[catlady]

Sorry, there's some misinformation in this paragraph. And the reason why there are less flu cases this year should be obvious. Hospitals are not getting any extra money for Covid deaths, there is no reason they would be exaggerating those numbers.

Hospitals were (I'm not sure if they still are) receiving more for Medicare patients under the CARES act to help with revenue loss, @Knowcheering didn't say anything about more money for specifically deaths. Back in April, Senator Scott Jensen stated there were already states complaining some would get more than others, and it MAY open the avenue for states to claim more COVID19 cases than actual. There was, also, some debate on the loose definitions of "presumed" and "probable" when it came to cases. In other words, the concern was Joe Smith is presumed to have C-19, is on a ventilator, but actually has pneumonia. The hospital would get more money stating "presumed" C-19. There have been no reports of hospitals falsifying numbers that I know of. From US Today article <click here>:

Our ruling: True
We rate the claim that hospitals get paid more if patients are listed as COVID-19 and on ventilators as TRUE.

Hospitals and doctors do get paid more for Medicare patients diagnosed with COVID-19 or if it's considered presumed they have COVID-19 absent a laboratory-confirmed test, and three times more if the patients are placed on a ventilator to cover the cost of care and loss of business resulting from a shift in focus to treat COVID-19 cases.
This higher allocation of funds has been made possible under the Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security Act through a Medicare 20% add-on to its regular payment for COVID-19 patients, as verified by USA TODAY through the American Hospital Association Special Bulletin on the topic.

 

[luv2cheer92]

Hospitals were (I'm not sure if they still are) receiving more for Medicare patients under the CARES act to help with revenue loss, @Knowcheering didn't say anything about more money for specifically deaths. Back in April, Senator Scott Jensen stated there were already states complaining some would get more than others, and it MAY open the avenue for states to claim more COVID19 cases than actual. There was, also, some debate on the loose definitions of "presumed" and "probable" when it came to cases. In other words, the concern was Joe Smith is presumed to have C-19, is on a ventilator, but actually has pneumonia. The hospital would get more money stating "presumed" C-19. There have been no reports of hospitals falsifying numbers that I know of. From US Today article <click here>:

Our ruling: True
We rate the claim that hospitals get paid more if patients are listed as COVID-19 and on ventilators as TRUE.

Hospitals and doctors do get paid more for Medicare patients diagnosed with COVID-19 or if it's considered presumed they have COVID-19 absent a laboratory-confirmed test, and three times more if the patients are placed on a ventilator to cover the cost of care and loss of business resulting from a shift in focus to treat COVID-19 cases.
This higher allocation of funds has been made possible under the Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security Act through a Medicare 20% add-on to its regular payment for COVID-19 patients, as verified by USA TODAY through the American Hospital Association Special Bulletin on the topic.

The poster they quoted was referencing deaths, which is why that is what I referred to.

 

[SthrnCheerMom]

The majority of CS is in Building B with 5 cheer floors (if you look at the schedules it says B1,B2,B3,B4,B5). Building C is also used for 1-2 cheer floors. Building A is where the awards are held as well as some cheer teams (I know a few years ago Cheerabilities were in A). There is a parking lot on the C side. There are several parking options for A and B. There are separate entrances for all 3 buildings all the while they are also connected. In all reality, there can be 3 completely different events going on if need be. However, I don't see this happening at the same time if they are indeed using it as a hospital overflow.

 

[quietmom]

The GWCC overflow hospital will start taking patients tomorrow. The majority of the Atlanta area hospitals are full and on diversion meaning they are not accepting new ambulance patients (source: https://georgiarcc.org/?sort=nedocs...DTrpV446Yr_VRwJbcMU3-JNhHAGmYiHRVsPbBwT-v72HM).

 

[123jump4!]

The GWCC overflow hospital will start taking patients tomorrow. The majority of the Atlanta area hospitals are full and on diversion meaning they are not accepting new ambulance patients (source: https://georgiarcc.org/?sort=nedocs...DTrpV446Yr_VRwJbcMU3-JNhHAGmYiHRVsPbBwT-v72HM).

Some info from the GWCC. It sounds like they’re still going ahead with other events although they don’t say it explicitly.

COVID-19 - Georgia World Congress Center Authority

 

[gibsonbabyicon]

In the GWCC you can seal building a, b and c off and have them separated for separate functions. The GWCC is taking serious precautions when it comes to events. Hopefully gyms will take the mask wearing seriously in warm ups and on staged especially when their own spectators have to wear one on the building. It is mandatory in the GWCC.

 

[dat.jpp]

In the GWCC you can seal building a, b and c off and have them separated for separate functions. The GWCC is taking serious precautions when it comes to events. Hopefully gyms will take the mask wearing seriously in warm ups and on staged especially when their own spectators have to wear one on the building. It is mandatory in the GWCC.

Wait, so y'all are saying there's going to be a cheer competition inside a "hospital"?

 

[WhatAmIDoingHere]

In the GWCC you can seal building a, b and c off and have them separated for separate functions. The GWCC is taking serious precautions when it comes to events. Hopefully gyms will take the mask wearing seriously in warm ups and on staged especially when their own spectators have to wear one on the building. It is mandatory in the GWCC.

Per the EP, athletes can remove masks in warm ups and when competing.

 

[Knowcheering]

The majority of CS is in Building B with 5 cheer floors (if you look at the schedules it says B1,B2,B3,B4,B5). Building C is also used for 1-2 cheer floors. Building A is where the awards are held as well as some cheer teams (I know a few years ago Cheerabilities were in A). There is a parking lot on the C side. There are several parking options for A and B. There are separate entrances for all 3 buildings all the while they are also connected. In all reality, there can be 3 completely different events going on if need be.

Thanks for this info, I don't remember all that. I remember going into a Building C at maybe 7AM and then not leaving until like 8PM. There were many floors, but they were close enough to each other where you could race from one to another rather easily, so I just assumed I was in the same building all day lol. I do remember the place being huge, way more so than the dozens of other convention centers we competed in. If the GWCC is willing to hold a cheerleading competition at the same time as a Covid thing, then it's pretty certain they have the means to keep the two things very separate. I'm hoping at the very least for a delay instead of an outright cancellation of the major competitions. Let's hope the vaccine slows things down.

And the reason why there are less flu cases this year should be obvious.

I'd love to hear the obvious reason, please elaborate if you'd like. Yes we are staying home more, but Covid-19 is spreading like uncontrollable wildfire. We have one virus spreading around like crazy, but the flu virus, which usually wreaks havoc during this time of year, is nowhere to be found. Everyone with a cough and fever is told they probably have Covid. Where did the flu disappear to? Are any people with the flu/pneumonia triggering positive Covid tests accidentally? There have been some instances of false positives. Also, if I take 4 tests and test positive 4 times, I get listed as 4 new cases even if I'm only one person, correct? So it doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility that the number of people with Covid isn't quite as high as is being reported.

Hospitals are not getting any extra money for Covid deaths, there is no reason they would be exaggerating those numbers.

Even if a hospital has the best intentions and isn't getting any extra money for having Covid patients, someone with pneumonia who suffers a heart attack still might accidentally get listed as a Covid death. Likewise, someone who is about to pass away from another cause who happens to have Covid (or is considered to "probably" have Covid) might still get listed as a Covid death. My overall point is that the scary Covid numbers being thrown at us probably aren't 100% accurate; they couldn't be even if everyone had the best intentions. By no means am I saying this isn't a serious situation and that cheerleaders shouldn't wear masks at practices, but some of these statistics are making people literally afraid of doing any type of normal functioning, and that feels overboard to me. I believe it's possible to hold safe cheer competitions especially later on in the season.

 

[luv2cheer92]

Thanks for this info, I don't remember all that. I remember going into a Building C at maybe 7AM and then not leaving until like 8PM. There were many floors, but they were close enough to each other where you could race from one to another rather easily, so I just assumed I was in the same building all day lol. I do remember the place being huge, way more so than the dozens of other convention centers we competed in. If the GWCC is willing to hold a cheerleading competition at the same time as a Covid thing, then it's pretty certain they have the means to keep the two things very separate. I'm hoping at the very least for a delay instead of an outright cancellation of the major competitions. Let's hope the vaccine slows things down.



I'd love to hear the obvious reason, please elaborate if you'd like. Yes we are staying home more, but Covid-19 is spreading like uncontrollable wildfire. We have one virus spreading around like crazy, but the flu virus, which usually wreaks havoc during this time of year, is nowhere to be found. Everyone with a cough and fever is told they probably have Covid. Where did the flu disappear to? Are any people with the flu/pneumonia triggering positive Covid tests accidentally? There have been some instances of false positives. Also, if I take 4 tests and test positive 4 times, I get listed as 4 new cases even if I'm only one person, correct? So it doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility that the number of people with Covid isn't quite as high as is being reported.

There are several reasons, main one being the flu is significantly less contagious than Covid (Covid's R0 is about double that of the flu). Other reasons are the flu has a shorter incubation period than Covid. Also, while the research isn't great yet, many studies have shown that Covid droplets linger in the air longer than flu droplets, making it more likely for someone to catch it that is distanced from others. I've definitely known more than quite a few people that have had the flu this year. Simply put, masks and distancing work at limiting viral spread, Covid is just a reckless beast.

As far as being listed as multiple cases, there are plenty of data points out there that do not list multiple positives for one person. This can vary by state and source as to which number they show.

Should people be afraid to leave their home? That depends on their health and risk factors IMO. But people should 100% be taking the necessary precautions, which so many people still refuse to do. And if I had high risk factors or were elderly (or really even 60+), with as many people that are simply ignoring those precautions, that would make me far more afraid to leave my home than if everyone would just listen.