All-Star Decrease In Worlds Bids

[tumbleyoda]

It is always funny to me that we want Worlds to be the best of the best and unless you have a chance to be a top contender then you should not "dare to dream, go for the experience," etc., yet when the Majors is going on the complaint is it is too exclusive to the superstar, top tier teams and other teams need the opportunity to be invited to go. Do we even know what we really want? :(

 

[Jessicaa]

I don't see anything wrong with going to worlds for an experience. Ít's all about what goals the team have for themselves. Some may have "we want to hit a zero deduction score" or "place top 80". If you can afford it, then why not?

Not really the same but in Sweden we have regionals where you can qualify for nationals. 1st and 2nd moves along. At Nationals the best 10 (some get invited) competes at each divison. We were fortunate enough to place 2nd but our goal is not even to place top 3. Our goal is to raise our score and if we place in 1st or 10th we don't really care. Some teams may have that same mindset going into worlds. :)

 

[CrownedtheGR8est]

Then they wouldn't need a first round, which means that 10 of those teams wouldn't make it from prelims to finals and would only be performing once. So, by your logic - they should only give 10 bids total per division?

I don't think we should be in the business of telling teams or athletes that their trip to Worlds isn't worth the money they spend unless they are a contender. Let them decide that for themselves.

Clearly, I didn't mean they should give 10 bids per division. I don't even think the divisions have been that small since 2004/2005. I mean if they're only going to take that many into semis from 80 teams, then whats the point? Worlds has gotten too big. That is a fact.

Ideally, they'd give out just enough bids so that everyone from Day 1 gets to compete Day 2 without creating the most convoluted schedule ever.

 

[CrownedtheGR8est]

I believe the NCAA foots the bill. At least they did back in 2005 when I cheered at a game with a 13 seed? From the chartered plane to the hotel to the stipend they gave cheer/dance/pep band.... all NCAA ....

Same difference.

 

[Ceacea]

The overcrowding problem just became very real for our gym. Apparently the hotels that come with the packages are already over booked and although our gym turned in all of our registration information on time we are being pushed off site. This is not a good situation in any way. I can’t imagine what the crowds will be like this year.

 

[juscheerthatisall]

Maybe its just me but i wouldnt really want to make the long and expensive travel to get 78th :eek:

You realize someone has to come in 78th place? If there are 80 teams in the division someone will be 80th I don't think anyone goes to worlds expecting to lose honestly most teams have really far fetched dreams of actually making finals, others are ok knowing that they probably won't but are simply going because they received a bid and are honored at the invitation. If worlds was more exclusive and their were 20 teams someone would still come in 20th, are they wasting their time to go? Heck teams join Large all girl each year, lose every single competition and still go to worlds pretty much knowing (even if not admitting it) that they are a shoe in for last place, should they also stay home? Most of the 78th place teams are small programs that have been working for years to get their kids to a place where they are ready to compete at worlds, they are excited at the opportunity to be a part if it all, and even if they beat 5 teams its more then they could have accomplished by staying home.

 

[juscheerthatisall]

It is always funny to me that we want Worlds to be the best of the best and unless you have a chance to be a top contender then you should not "dare to dream, go for the experience," etc., yet when the Majors is going on the complaint is it is too exclusive to the superstar, top tier teams and other teams need the opportunity to be invited to go. Do we even know what we really want? :(

If I could shimmy this 1,000 times I would I just read through 27 pages of how CL is too exclusive, now I'm reading about how worlds should be more exclusive. Make up your mind people!

 

[UCFKnights07]

I agree maybe it should downsizes, maybe to top 20 or 25 maybe even 30. I don't agree it only being top 10 cause then we would see the same teams year after year and that would get boring. I think decrease in bids would be a start, and if that didn't help with the overcrowding thing, then result to changing the venue.

 

[Ashley]

The overcrowding problem just became very real for our gym. Apparently the hotels that come with the packages are already over booked and although our gym turned in all of our registration information on time we are being pushed off site. This is not a good situation in any way. I can’t imagine what the crowds will be like this year.

This happened to use 2 years ago. They were able to find rooms for us, good luck!


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[cheerKT]

If I could shimmy this 1,000 times I would I just read through 27 pages of how CL is too exclusive, now I'm reading about how worlds should be more exclusive. Make up your mind people!

I think people's issue with the Champions League wasn't that it was too exclusive in number, but more so that it was based on name only. Teams didn't have to qualify to get invited like they do to Worlds, they were invited off name and popularity. It was exclusive in the sense that THE most talented and amazing first or second year gym from North Dakota had no chance in being invited to the "league" because no one knew who they were. That same North Dakota team can prove themselves at a competition and earn their right to compete at Worlds. A perfect combination of an exclusive event with talent based qualifying (bids or maybe regional qualifying) would make people most happy, IMO.

I could be completely off base here but this is how I see it.

 

[xomckenzieee]

Here's how I look at it:
With football they say, "any given Sunday" meaning any team, any week, could beat any other team, any week.
A #7 seed just won the NCAA tournament.
Underdogs work hard, and should be given the chance to shine.

A few years ago, 2010 maybe, I cheered on a Level 4.2 team. Our gym had created one the year before for athletes who didn't make Senior 3 and 4, and had some of us cross to it to make the team a little larger and help improve their skills so they could make a higher team the next year. Well all year long we placed pretty low at every competition and we expected that. We were doing it to train athletes to be better and learn new things. Well we went to U.S. Finals in VA Beach, on whatever their equivalent of an At-Large bid is... and we won. Out of 30 something odd teams. We put on the performance of a lifetime and never in a million years did we expect that outcome at all, but it happens. Why take that opportunity away from someone if they are willing to work hard and accomplish their dreams?

 

[FierceIsTheName]

Here's how I look at it:
With football they say, "any given Sunday" meaning any team, any week, could beat any other team, any week.
A #7 seed just won the NCAA tournament.
Underdogs work hard, and should be given the chance to shine.

A few years ago, 2010 maybe, I cheered on a Level 4.2 team. Our gym had created one the year before for athletes who didn't make Senior 3 and 4, and had some of us cross to it to make the team a little larger and help improve their skills so they could make a higher team the next year. Well all year long we placed pretty low at every competition and we expected that. We were doing it to train athletes to be better and learn new things. Well we went to U.S. Finals in VA Beach, on whatever their equivalent of an At-Large bid is... and we won. Out of 30 something odd teams. We put on the performance of a lifetime and never in a million years did we expect that outcome at all, but it happens. Why take that opportunity away from someone if they are willing to work hard and accomplish their dreams?

I totally understand this and I agree with you. But there are SOME teams that go down there just so they can say they went. I just feel like 92 teams is too much for one division. Maybe we need to bring in the small gym division for small senior and small coed? Just a thought

 

[tumbleyoda]

If...repeat... if they approve the D1/D2 type split, this will address some of the too many teams in a division with no chance to win issues. But then the next issue will be is it less than because that awesome gym nobody heard of until Worlds did not beat one of the perennial favorites in the division for the title. Or someone sandbagged to go D2 when they are truly a D1. Or the D2 title means nothing.

It feels like no matter what we try to adjust it, there will be a significant portion of the industry not happy with it. Somebody is going to get the proverbial short end of the stick, like it or not.

I expect you will see more adjustment in different events such as Champions League because they are not as tied to what has been. This will put pressure on Worlds to adjust (they already are trying) or start to lose their higher profile teams from going which would be disastrous for them.

 

[mamabear]

The overcrowding problem just became very real for our gym. Apparently the hotels that come with the packages are already over booked and although our gym turned in all of our registration information on time we are being pushed off site. This is not a good situation in any way. I can’t imagine what the crowds will be like this year.

Worlds is on a bad weekend this year. Many school districts are on spring vacation this week since it is the week after Easter. I have never paid the prices that we are for a flight down there :( and we are just going for vacation


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[Emily]

Worlds is on a bad weekend this year. Many school districts are on spring vacation this week since it is the week after Easter. I have never paid the prices that we are for a flight down there :( and we are just going for vacation


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It is on a bad weekend for people that don't want to pay a lot of money to go and watch (or for athletes and their families). But it is a good weekend for a lot of school-aged-kids because they can actually go and watch or compete without missing school (same goes for a lot of the international kids that go over there).