All-Star Is This For Real?

[12stepCheermom]

She was truly trying to defend that he was just a tumbling coach, while not actually saying that because he wasn't a cheer coach, it was ok!

Insanity.


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[quitthedrama]

No. Different coaches. They didn't hire them back, they just hired new dirt bags. I have no idea how this same program keeps attracting slime balls, but they do. 3 different coaches (2 were owners at the time), 3 different/separate incidents.

It definitely makes you think there is something with the ownership. If I was burned once I would be performing background and reference checks on all of my employees. I know there are many parents who probably had no idea of the history, so I completely feel for them. I did a quick google and none of the old history was in the first 5 pages.

I saw this and was about to reply, but you had already asked the same thing I wanted to...what difference does it make what he coaches? Do tumbling athletes not matter?

I'm not sure why that seems to be the going answer of parents of cheerleaders at that program. "Oh, he was a tumbling coach, not a cheer coach ... So it's all gravy here!"

#Confused

Most gyms I know the tumbling coach teaches tumbling to everyone in the gym, not just non gym members. And tumbling coaches are more hands on than any other type of coach so I am all kinds of :confused: with that hayfield of cowdung reasoning.

 

[GreatWhite92]

and here I am having to pay for my own background check in order to become a teacher (who also works with children). Is there a reason we can't make the coaches pay for one when they are being hired? In this line of work (just like teaching) it is obvious you will be working with kids. Why is it not the norm to be expected to have to pay for a background check in order to be hired. I have to pay for all my own background checks and drug tests and anything else that costs money at my time of hire for teaching, I don't understand why coaches don't have to. Maybe that is just my state and county though...

 

[Just-a-Mom]

and here I am having to pay for my own background check in order to become a teacher (who also works with children). Is there a reason we can't make the coaches pay for one when they are being hired? In this line of work (just like teaching) it is obvious you will be working with kids. Why is it not the norm to be expected to have to pay for a background check in order to be hired. I have to pay for all my own background checks and drug tests and anything else that costs money at my time of hire for teaching, I don't understand why coaches don't have to. Maybe that is just my state and county though...

I had to pay for mine to work at the hospital too. At my current job, the company pays for all of them, but I think that's because our staff is primarily interns or independent contractors. We do it to be nice though - it's not required that we pay for it.

You have a good point! While, as a parent, I would be more than willing to have this cost lumped into my tuition each year, I don't see any reason why coaches can't be required to take care of it themselves, like in any other business.

 

[FlexyTumblerMom]

You got to realize that this arrested guy could have very well passed a background check at one point. The article doesn't metion any previous convictions, arrests, etc. The fact that someone "will be arrested for patronizing a prostitue in the upcoming future", will not show up on a check ;). What is more telling is what the gym does w/ that information - if they don't fire him or eventually let him back around their kids then that's a problem.

It could be a sign that this type of thing is more culturally acceptable at that gym though and that's why it happened if they've had previous issues.

What about that cheer perfection place and how her husband was arrested for drug possession? - they are still in business and I'm sure he's not removed from the program being that he's still her husband (and ultimately an owner even if not legally so). So those parents are doing the same thing. My kid would not be attending there anymore no matter what, but if it was just a regular coach that was busted w/ drugs and then immediately fired never to return, I may give them a chance and forgive.

 

[CheerFITnow]

To sum it up real quick- his background WAS CHECKED, his sources WERE CHECKED, his former employment came from a neighboring gymnastics gym who gave us a green flag.

No company in their right mind, specifically one which works with kids, goes out to hire someone of this nature. This is another unfortunate event that happened at the same facility. This individual was only a tumbling instructor that worked with the power tumbling program and classes. The program has already undergone the necessary actions to remove this instructor the INSTANT we were notified.

None of the former employees from ICC currently work at ICE Aurora. it is completely under new management and ownership. This new ownership of ICE has no connection to the previous owners and PREVIOUS instances.

 

[12mowerd]

To sum it up real quick- his background WAS CHECKED, his sources WERE CHECKED, his former employment came from a neighboring gymnastics gym who gave us a green flag.

No company in their right mind, specifically one which works with kids, goes out to hire someone of this nature. This is another unfortunate event that happened at the same facility. This individual was only a tumbling instructor that worked with the power tumbling program and classes. The program has already undergone the necessary actions to remove this instructor the INSTANT we were notified.

None of the former employees from ICC currently work at ICE Aurora. it is completely under new management and ownership. This new ownership of ICE has no connection to the previous owners and PREVIOUS instances.

Ok I feel much better knowing he was ONLY a tumbling instructor.

*sarcasm*

 

[CheerFITnow]

At the end of the day, our families know what this gym is truly about- our gym is defined by our top notch instruction, supportive staff, and success - not these unfortunate events. The members of our gym know this!

 

[alexacheer2010]

Everyone saying they would pull their kid from the gym... Really? Would you really if this happened at your gym today? In the middle of the season?

 

[HeyMom]

What @FlexyTumblerMom said. I may be wrong but I am almost sure you have to be convicted of a crime for it to show up on a background check.

 

[amy1k]

^^^and to add to that, businesses that cater to children are obviously attractive to pedophiles, unfortunately. It's one of the reasons that I, personally, am bothered by closed practices and the like. It's important to see how coaches interact with children and that parents can get a feel for who has access to their children. Even that isn't foolproof, but it lends protection to children AND coaches.

 

[Just-a-Mom]

This individual was only a tumbling instructor that worked with the power tumbling program and classes.

Can you all stop saying this? It's absurd. I don't care if he was teaching quilting in the lobby... Around kids is around kids. The rest of your post was valid, and made good, fair points. But I don't understand why people from this program keep feeling the need to clarify that this individual coached tumblers and not cheerleaders. It's really not making y'all look like you grasp the issue. Because believe it or not, the issue isn't that he was a *cheer* coach - it's that he was around children and had a child-related charge against him.

With that being said I don't think anyone (well at least not anyone with any sense) thinks ICE hired someone like this intentionally. I was only commenting that it is dumb that background checks aren't mandatory industry-wide.

It's odd that it keeps happening with the same program. Whether ICC and ICE are different companies or not, the fact remains that it's the same kids, the same families, the same facility, etc. Therefore the environment and the culture has a LOT that is the same.

Fwiw, I don't think ICE as a company condones this behavior. But seriously... Is there something in the water in Aurora/Naperville? Because once is gross, twice is odd, three times is... freakishly coincidental?

 

[TheVipersMom]

I'm sure this is the opposite of what everyone is saying so yall will disagree but if ICE did do a background check like they say they did, if they did get a green flag from the previous gym then what's to say if you pull your kid and take them somewhere else that this same type of thing won't be going on there. I know the bigger problem with this is yall bringing up the history repeating itself and I agree it doesn't matter whether he was a team or tumbling only coach. However they have none of those people working now and they are doing what they can to keep them safe. If he didn't have a background to begin with there is nothing screening him and knowing he was different than any other possible coach applicant. I feel bad for the families in this program getting all the unwanted attention! I sure hope it doesn't effect their teams this year and that people really don't pull out mid season.

Sorry don't shoot me for the unpopular opinion.

I think the biggest thing you can do is educate your kids.

 

[CheerFITnow]

It's not the same families- many have left cheer or graduated since the first 2 situations happened at ICE Athletics and ICC! Some families that have been there since the beginning continue to stay because of the competitiveness and instruction of the program. The families from the area, ultimately, will choose what they feel best for their families - but the core group of coaches that have been here since the turnover from ICC to ICE, from 160 athletes to over 400+ athletes, will continue to do their job, act professionally, and produce results.

 

[CheerFITnow]

Kris10boo- Thank you for your support!