All-Star New Rules For Worlds

[kristenthegreat]

Here's your friendly reminder that the USASF invented the term "legal student resident" and it does not appear on US Immigration's site.

It'd be far simpler for USASF to say "all athletes must have a legal presence in the country in which the gym they represent is located," (which would cover our overseas pals living in the Schengen Area as well as any Washingtonians who commute to Vancouver, BC for practice but live in the USA—they're not "residents" of the country, but they're not there illegally) but this is the USASF we're talking about.

Also lol at "WORLDS TRAILS" — is it really asking too much for the governing body of cheer to proofread its website?

I'm trying to imagine USASF calling US Customs and Border Patrol with that one. "I'd like to report an illegal student resident." '....a say what now?'

 

[BlueCat]

I am still curious about the purpose behind the rule. Why do we care if all of the athletes from a private gym are from the same country? I get it for ICU or Olympics, don't get it for Worlds.

 

[gofriars610]

I am still curious about the purpose behind the rule. Why do we care if all of the athletes from a private gym are from the same country? I get it for ICU or Olympics, don't get it for Worlds.

shhhhh you're making too much sense.

I still don't get why Puerto Rico isn't considered to be part of the US in USASF land. They have the same passports we have.

 

[Official OWECheer]

Because it's the USASF. Since they can make up types of visas, they can arbitrarily declare that Puerto Rico actually isn't a part of the US.

Let the visa jokes begin in 3...2...1...

 

[piglet]

I am friends with two families who commute from Washington State for their L4&5 CPs (not Worlds-aged yet) to cheer for a gym located across the border in Canada. What do you think the odds are of this USASF rule actually sticking around? Or is there just zero way of knowing?

 

[piglet]

@RobinSparkles--thanks! I didn't get that it was US-based only. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[gofriars610]

I don't think it would impact them, as it seems like the rule is for U.S. gyms only. If it's the gym I'm thinking of, they won't be the only ones in that position.
Situations like that emphasize that they didn't think this rule through properly.

It's still a dumb rule. International athletes should be able to be rostered as long as they have a legal presence in the U.S.

FWIW:

 

[dawgshow]

It's still a dumb rule. International athletes should be able to be rostered as long as they have a legal presence in the U.S.

FWIW:

Do they mean that the person is on a student Visa?

 

[gofriars610]

Do they mean that the person is on a student Visa?

If they mean that, they should *say* that. Immigration status is not something to be wishy-washy about.

 

[quitthedrama]

shhhhh you're making too much sense.

I still don't get why Puerto Rico isn't considered to be part of the US in USASF land. They have the same passports we have.

I agree with you and Bluecat on the immigration status issue. I support the alternate and having an athlete win 2 paid bids rules and should have clarified. However, Puerto Rico competes as their own "country" in the Olympic Games too. I've never understood that either.

 

[gofriars610]

I agree with you and Bluecat on the immigration status issue. I support the alternate and having an athlete win 2 paid bids rules and should have clarified. However, Puerto Rico competes as their own "country" in the Olympic Games too. I've never understood that either.

Well, the Olympics likes to fudge numbers:

 

[catlady]

The ACA in went into place January 1, 2014 illegal residents would not qualify for insurance which now has to go through the ACA so, my guess is this is a directive from legal for the USASF to CYA. From an ACA site:

Undocumented Immigrants Are Excluded

Because they have no legal status, undocumented residents are exempt from the individual mandate to buy health insurance.

Undocumented residents cannot purchase insurance through the exchanges, and they are not eligible for any health care subsidies. People without legal status are also excluded from Medicaid and CHIP.

To receive health care, undocumented immigrants will have to depend on charities and public or not-for-profit hospitals. They will continue to get what care they can from community health centers and other safety-net providers. They will continue to show up in hospital emergency rooms and seek last-resort treatment.

Impact of the ACA on International Students:
Impact of the ACA on International Students | Insurance Explained

This is a question for our lawyers out there....If a gym has an athlete that is not covered by the ACA or an International plan, who would ultimately be responsible for their medical bills if injured at a USASF sanctioned event?

 

[cheermomforever]

It is not easy to get a visa to live in US for a year. My nephew did for school and we had to prove we could support him and give him a place to live during the time here. A lot of paperwork!

 

[MyGirlCheers]

The ACA in went into place January 1, 2014 illegal residents would not qualify for insurance which now has to go through the ACA so, my guess is this is a directive from legal for the USASF to CYA. From an ACA site:

Undocumented Immigrants Are Excluded

Because they have no legal status, undocumented residents are exempt from the individual mandate to buy health insurance.

Undocumented residents cannot purchase insurance through the exchanges, and they are not eligible for any health care subsidies. People without legal status are also excluded from Medicaid and CHIP.

To receive health care, undocumented immigrants will have to depend on charities and public or not-for-profit hospitals. They will continue to get what care they can from community health centers and other safety-net providers. They will continue to show up in hospital emergency rooms and seek last-resort treatment.

Impact of the ACA on International Students:
Impact of the ACA on International Students | Insurance Explained

This is a question for our lawyers out there....If a gym has an athlete that is not covered by the ACA or an International plan, who would ultimately be responsible for their medical bills if injured at a USASF sanctioned event?

I'm not an attorney, but here's my $0.02...
The USASF doesn't require athletes to have health insurance in order to participate, so I'm not sure how an undocumented resident's inability to purchase insurance has any bearing. Ultimately, anyone without insurance is responsible for their own healthcare costs. If the USASF is grossly negligent and therefore responsible for an athlete's medical costs, it doesn't matter if that athlete has health insurance because their insurer would go after the USASF to recoup the full cost of treatment, anyway.

 

[catlady]

I'm not an attorney, but here's my $0.02...
The USASF doesn't require athletes to have health insurance in order to participate, so I'm not sure how an undocumented resident's inability to purchase insurance has any bearing. Ultimately, anyone without insurance is responsible for their own healthcare costs. If the USASF is grossly negligent and therefore responsible for an athlete's medical costs, it doesn't matter if that athlete has health insurance because their insurer would go after the USASF to recoup the full cost of treatment, anyway.

Part of our USASF membership is an athlete insurance policy. To get insurance, it goes through the ACA, to go through the ACA you must declare to be a legal citizen or here on a current VISA. So, for the USASF to get that insurance policy they are declaring all members are legal citizens or have the proper VISA.

http://usasf.net.ismmedia.com/ISM3/std-content/repos/Top/2013 Website/Insurance/USASF_2014-Oct_Benefit-Summary.pdf

The main complaint from this board is the USASF does not do enough to insure the safety of our athletes. By them following the requirements of the ACA, they are making sure our athletes are insured.

I'll clarify my question... If a gym decides to put an athlete on the floor without the proper documentation at a USASF sanctioned event, who is taking on the liability for that athlete?

ETA: I only ask this question because, people don't seem to feel it is anyone's business but, it may change their mind if it is their gym that goes under.