All-Star Next Year At World Bid Events....

[BubbleToes]

every team, no matter how skilled, should throw only the minimum needed for level 5. What would the judges do then? You have doubles? Nevermind, don't bother. Specialty baskets? Nah, blow them off. Those fabulous, but risky stunts? pshhhhhh...might fall. Just basic level 5 skills. Because, when it comes to a bid competition, it seems hitting wins, no matter if your skills are much harder. You fall or touchdown, you lose the bid to a team that does just the basics........if even that?

WHY?????? Why shouldn't you be rewarded for the risk you take. If its not a crazy risk or mess of a routine. Teams that have intense, fab, hard stunts or tumbling, and have one or two go down....then lose to the minimum level 5 team who hits (sometimes a level 4 w/a few level 5 skills)?
I will never understand this....

 

[Flyer mom]

Very well said!! Many teams doing weak skills for level 5 and getting bids because the competition already has tons of at large teams. Should have to get above a certain standing or point score to qualify. We have teams at the bottom of divisions getting bids because top teams in division already have them.

 

[CDRCoach17]

There are always two sides to every coin. Maybe some of the teams that are attempting the higher level skill should scale back and progress to the harder moves.

 

[BubbleToes]

There are always two sides to every coin. Maybe some of the teams that are attempting the higher level skill should scale back and progress to the harder moves.

True, but thats not what I'm seeing year after year. Good teams, hard LEVEL 5 skills, great routine....1 sf, and a td, and they lose to level 4 1/2-5

 

[CDRCoach17]

True, but thats not what I'm seeing year after year. Good teams, hard LEVEL 5 skills, great routine....1 sf, and a td, and they lose to level 4 1/2-5

You are right, but again that also depends on where you go. I think coaches should do more research into what it takes to actually win at certain events. We all know that scaling back NCA won't get it done.

 

[idrive]

If your willing to take the risk you had better be willing to accept the outcome good or bad. One of our teams didn't get a Worlds bid this year because we have a lot of younger kids on the team this year. So what you are saying is we should have attempted some crazy stuff knowing we were not going to hit and still get scored for the "try"? In my opinion look at the score sheets before you attend an event and see what you need to score in the highest possible range without screwing things up. Once you get your bid then work on putting in more difficult stunts, pyramids etc.

 

[newcheerdad]

True, but thats not what I'm seeing year after year. Good teams, hard LEVEL 5 skills, great routine....1 sf, and a td, and they lose to level 4 1/2-5

Do you have specific examples of this? I would think that at most competitions, a high level of difficulty, even with deductions, would still give a team the ability to outscore a team that isn't executing level 5 skills.

 

[BubbleToes]

If your willing to take the risk you had better be willing to accept the outcome good or bad. One of our teams didn't get a bid this year because we have a lot of younger kids on the team this year.So what you are saying is we should have attempted some crazy stuff knowing we were not going to hit and still get scored for the "try"? In my opinion look at the score sheets before you attend an event and see what you need to score in the highest possible range without screwing things up. Once you get your bid then work on putting in more difficult stunts, pyramids etc.

No! I'm saying you should NOT try crazy stuff, you should stick with what you know and what your good at. For the teams that actually have the skill, have standing tumbling w/doubles, have running with specialties, have stunts that are more than a full up, then a giddy up...teams that do ALL LEVEL 4 except for the double down with no creativity......If the harder routine (clearly seen) has a fall, then they lose to a team that has 85 layouts with 2 fulls, level 3-4 stunts with a double down...........that is not right.

If thats the case, why not ALL true level 5 teams play it safe at every competition? That way they'd win without even a fight.

I think teams that are truly talented and creative in their stunts and tumbling....pushing their limit, should be rewarded for it....Use WCSS for that matter...they were struggling in their stunts. Should they have changed it to a straight full up to giddy up? Or should they keep pushing to hit, as they did and look great.....................BUT we know, if they're stunts come down, level 4 1/2-5 will beat them? WHY??????????

 

[BubbleToes]

Do you have specific examples of this? I would think that at most competitions, a high level of difficulty, even with deductions, would still give a team the ability to outscore a team that isn't executing level 5 skills.

No, I won't specifically point out an example, it will hurt whichever team I may refer too.

 

[BubbleToes]

And I apologize! I'm not at all as pissed off as I sound in these posts....just really wondering.

 

[Deleted member 1556]

@BubbleToes i know what your saying. Yeah, it's nice to be clean and hit, but to win, you need to compete whats at your level. You won't get anywhere without pushing the envelope, or testing your limits

 

[Jillian]

I agree and disagree, aha.
I agree basically with everything below vvv

Very well said!! Many teams doing weak skills for level 5 and getting bids because the competition already has tons of at large teams. Should have to get above a certain standing or point score to qualify. We have teams at the bottom of divisions getting bids because top teams in division already have them.

But also, I think that Worlds is the best of the best, and the best of the best needs to be able to hit.

 

[BubbleToes]

I agree and disagree, aha.
I agree basically with everything below vvv

But also, I think that Worlds is the best of the best, and the best of the best needs to be able to hit.

Totally agree! But I think these teams that make it to WORLDS without the skills to place well, will be in for a surprise. WORLDS, even with a fall with the more skilled teams will win, IMO. But at the WORLD bid comps, this seems to get lost.

 

[Jillian]

Totally agree! But I think these teams that make it to WORLDS without the skills to place well, will be in for a surprise. WORLDS, even with a fall with the more skilled teams will win, IMO. But at the WORLD bid comps, this seems to get lost.

Yeuh, I agree! I went to one competition, where a team (let's say XYZ Allstars) got a partial bid. They had 1 double on the whole team, and the entire back row in the standing backs faked it. IMO, they looked like a level 3 team. Another team (let's say ABC Allstars) had 7 two to doubles, 5 running doubles, and 2 specialty to doubles, yet they didn't get a bid because they had 1 sf and a td on a standing FULL. Explain to me how this is fair?

 

[BubbleToes]

Yeuh, I agree! I went to one competition, where a team (let's say XYZ Allstars) got a partial bid. They had 1 double on the whole team, and the entire back row in the standing backs faked it. IMO, they looked like a level 3 team. Another team (let's say ABC Allstars) had 7 two to doubles, 5 running doubles, and 2 specialty to doubles, yet they didn't get a bid because they had 1 sf and a td on a standing FULL. Explain to me how this is fair?

And there's an example! Thanks! So, the "XYZ Alltars" team with one double, maybe few fulls, a bunch of layouts and a the whole back row faking their jumps to backs, win because the hit? Why not the ABC Allstars??? Because they had a sf and a td? Well maybe if they lowered the skills they had to level 3-4, the would've won? They could've done easier stunts, less tumbling, and not bothered to push their athletes to have full squad jump to backs and gotten the paid....makes sense to me :rolleyes: