All-Star Next Year At World Bid Events....

[Flyer mom]

Just look at the placement of some of the teams who received bids this weekend and where they placed in their division. Should you get a bid to worlds when you can't even finish in top half of your division. I guess the judges at worlds will weed the weaker teams out, but not sure why you allow teams with that low of a score to worlds in first place.

 

[newcheerdad]

Just look at the placement of some of the teams who received bids this weekend and where they placed in their division. Should you get a bid to worlds when you can't even finish in top half of your division. I guess the judges at worlds will weed the weaker teams out, but not sure why you allow teams with that low of a score to worlds in first place.

Without a universal scoresheet and scoring rubric and consistent qualifying standards for Worlds' bids, that type of thing will always happen.

 

[cheeeeer93]

Maybe each EP comes up with a minimum score to qualify? Like if a score is out of 100, score at least an 80 for worlds bids?

 

[spiritmama]

Maybe each EP comes up with a minimum score to qualify? Like if a score is out of 100, score at least an 80 for worlds bids?

Our bid event (in Eastern Canada, for International teams) is this weekend. There are 3 bids up for grabs, and 3 teams in the Worlds bid division, however the EP announced that we needed to get a min score to get the bid, and the team who wins the div will get the partial. Bravo! Makes sense, and also keeps one team away because they are aaawful. Min score seems fair to me, and I'll let you know how we make out this weekend lol (I think it'll be around 75%)

 

[redsmom]

I don't blame the EPs for giving out all their bids, seems like it would be bad business for them not to give them all out under the current system. I love the idea of a minimum score, but that would probably need to come from USASF, and given that USASF gives no guidelines for handing out bids (it technically doesn't even have to be based on scores), I seriously doubt that is going to happen any time soon.

I think once again the USASF needs to take a hard look at the number of bids being offered. (seems like they still have to many bids compared to the number of level 5 teams that are competing for them) I love the new prelim round at worlds, cutting a division from 70ish to 40 or 50ish is an improvement, but maybe even that should be expanded, it be nice to see no more then 30ish teams in the semi-finals and 15ish in the finals. That would be a really hard step, since many really excellent teams wouldn't make it to finals, but this is worlds and that should be the expected. (Anyone watching March Madness this weekend saw many excellent teams not making it to the Sweet Sixteen!)

 

[fabulousity]

Maybe each EP comes up with a minimum score to qualify? Like if a score is out of 100, score at least an 80 for worlds bids?

i've always wanted something like this, but i already know it would be a nightmare to implement considering all the variations of 'standard' scoresheets. i do, however, think that EP should impose more discretion in giving out bids (especially at larges). i think that bids of any sort should only given to teams that score within a certain range of the 1st place winner. for example, if the 1st place team scores 9.5 then bids should be given to teams within .4 of that score. or if some EP's selected to only give bids to the top 25% of each division. I'm sure this would never work because it would mean less money at worlds, but it would certainly help to weed out the weaker teams.

 

[cupieqt]

I don't have any level 5 teams but I love following the teams going for bids at comps. I see this happen all the time---weak level 4s going for a bid at level 5 when they should be dominating at level 3. Why don't all the EPs use the Worlds scoresheets for the teams going for bids? That's the scoresheet they'll be scored on at Worlds. Idk enough about it tho so there may be a reason that I just don't know about...

 

[Deleted member 15]

I don't have any level 5 teams but I love following the teams going for bids at comps. I see this happen all the time---weak level 4s going for a bid at level 5 when they should be dominating at level 3. Why don't all the EPs use the Worlds scoresheets for the teams going for bids? That's the scoresheet they'll be scored on at Worlds. Idk enough about it tho so there may be a reason that I just don't know about...

It's not tested enough and sometimes, like this season, it comes out after the first bid event.

 

[P2169]

No, I won't specifically point out an example, it will hurt whichever team I may refer too.

Xtreme Kalahari would be a GREAT example.... (Small Senior 5)

Also - GLCC would be a GREAT example (Small Limited Coed)

 

[redsmom]

Looks like there are about 210 bids (give or take) for the 5 (non intl) divisions given out this year. So my question is how many teams have competed in these divisions this year? and what percentage of these teams should be at worlds?

 

[Num1Stunta]

It's not just worlds/level 5 teams... this happens across the board. I'm tired of seeing a Level 4 team doing Level 3 stunts that have a twist out of it, and winning against teams showing true Level 4 tricks (tick tocks, fullups, etc) who may have had a bobble or two. RIDICULOUS imo... If you're not even hitting the bare minimum in your level, anyone can hit clean. Just saying...

 

[new2level5]

every team, no matter how skilled, should throw only the minimum needed for level 5. What would the judges do then? You have doubles? Nevermind, don't bother. Specialty baskets? Nah, blow them off. Those fabulous, but risky stunts? pshhhhhh...might fall. Just basic level 5 skills. Because, when it comes to a bid competition, it seems hitting wins, no matter if your skills are much harder. You fall or touchdown, you lose the bid to a team that does just the basics........if even that?

WHY?????? Why shouldn't you be rewarded for the risk you take. If its not a crazy risk or mess of a routine. Teams that have intense, fab, hard stunts or tumbling, and have one or two go down....then lose to the minimum level 5 team who hits (sometimes a level 4 w/a few level 5 skills)?
I will never understand this....

I agree! At one comp in particular in recent years, I have seen teams win their division (beating top 5 teams) and then barely make it to days 2 at Worlds. It just doesn't make sense...but they hit a clean routine.

 

[Just-a-Mom]

I actually see the opposite a lot. Where a team doing maybe not-so-difficult Level 5 routines (but still Level 5--I totally get where you guys are coming from on not even really performing Level 5 skills) but doing them flawlessly places behind a team with tons of difficulty, but performing them sloppily. I just don't think difficulty should be rewarded if you can't perform it. So I guess I disagree with you guys--if you drop your stunts, then you shouldn't get first. I don't care how hard your stunt is if you can't do it so it looks clean and looks good, then don't do it!

I see what you guys are saying--Don't go to Level 5 and try to get a Worlds bid if you only have Level 4 skills, but I just think that should apply to difficulty too. Don't throw in really difficult stuff if you can't NAIL IT. If you're going for a Worlds Bid, you should use the Level 5 skills that you know you can hit cleanly 100% of the time. If you're willing to take the risk just to show off your cool new stuff you came up with, then you'd better be willing to deal with the consequences of not getting a bid because you dropped and the team with less difficulty was smart enough to keep their routine to stuff they can do 100% of the time.

 

[cupieqt]

I think dropping one stunt and having one td shouldn't put a team that has the difficulty behind a team that is barely pulling off level 5.
I agree that a sloppy, weak level anything shouldn't get rewarded over a team that hits clean basics just bc they tried to do harder stuff. You don't get an A for effort. You get an A for hitting and an A+ for hitting difficulty.

 

[Num1Stunta]

I actually see the opposite a lot. Where a team doing maybe not-so-difficult Level 5 routines (but still Level 5--I totally get where you guys are coming from on not even really performing Level 5 skills) but doing them flawlessly places behind a team with tons of difficulty, but performing them sloppily. I just don't think difficulty should be rewarded if you can't perform it. So I guess I disagree with you guys--if you drop your stunts, then you shouldn't get first. I don't care how hard your stunt is if you can't do it so it looks clean and looks good, then don't do it!

I see what you guys are saying--Don't go to Level 5 and try to get a Worlds bid if you only have Level 4 skills, but I just think that should apply to difficulty too. Don't throw in really difficult stuff if you can't NAIL IT. If you're going for a Worlds Bid, you should use the Level 5 skills that you know you can hit cleanly 100% of the time. If you're willing to take the risk just to show off your cool new stuff you came up with, then you'd better be willing to deal with the consequences of not getting a bid because you dropped and the team with less difficulty was smart enough to keep their routine to stuff they can do 100% of the time.

I agree to an extent, I think we really do try to push the envelope nowadays with difficulty. Some teams take it too far, and mastery should be rewarded... BUT....

Team A vs Team B

Alpha Stars:
5 straight up heelstretch fulldowns that hit= 5 level 4 skills in a sequence (5 full downs)

Beta Stars:
5 heelstretch tick tocks that full down and one falls= 8 level 4 skills in a sequence (4 tick tocks, 4 full downs)

Even with the fall, Beta Stars still show more at-level skills in their sequence. See what I mean? On some scoresheets, that is rewarded... others, it is not. :)