All-Star Next Year At World Bid Events....

[cupieqt]

It's not tested enough and sometimes, like this season, it comes out after the first bid event.

Thanks! I knew there had to be a reason...

 

[CDRCoach17]

1. Lets not forget that worlds cost money. I agree with cutting down the bids and etc., but at the end of the day...it is about crowning a true champion and how to make money off of it. Could they really put on a great show with only allowing those teams with paid bids to attend?
2. This is in response to squads beating teams who have more skills. IT IS UPTO YOUR COACHES TO RESEARCH THE CRITERIA NEEDED TO WIN AT CERTAIN COMPANIES. Example: I take my level 5 team to a competition where the scoresheet is clearly based on execution. It is a small senior team. We compete five stretch to stretch tick tocks, and 5 full ups. Only 3 of my stunts hit solid, but I decided to take the risk and compete all of them. My team takes the floor, 3 stunts hit, one bobbles, and one falls. Team B comes on the floor, hits their fulls ups, hits their express ups. They are in first. It is the nature of the beast. I knew going into that competition that our execution of these skills was not the best, but I wanted my team to get the experience of performing those skills on the big stage.
3. Another issue is that the a lot of the skills that most teams perform can be done in level 4 and 5. There needs to be a clear cut difference in the stunting section for level 4 and 5.

 

[Just-a-Mom]

I agree to an extent, I think we really do try to push the envelope nowadays with difficulty. Some teams take it too far, and mastery should be rewarded... BUT....

Team A vs Team B

Alpha Stars:
5 straight up heelstretch fulldowns that hit= 5 level 4 skills in a sequence (5 full downs)

Beta Stars:
5 heelstretch tick tocks that full down and one falls= 8 level 4 skills in a sequence (4 tick tocks, 4 full downs)

Even with the fall, Beta Stars still show more at-level skills in their sequence. See what I mean? On some scoresheets, that is rewarded... others, it is not. :)

Yes, I see what you mean. Makes sense. :) LOL...my kids are level 2 adn 3--we're just happy to have teams to compete agains at some comps. So I'm more just looking in from the outside when it comes to Worlds bids.

 

[Flyer mom]

If you are weaker level 5 team just wait till the end of the year. If you look at the bids handed out over the last couple of weeks they have gone to teams that win by default, not by performance. I am not trying to be mean but look at what place they finished in their division and level 5 overall and it is crazy. Most teams have at large bids that are good by end of year and are just going for paid bids, so gyms with week level 5 teams go to these competitions and get an at large just to say they went to Worlds.

 

[fabulousity]

If you are weaker level 5 team just wait till the end of the year. If you look at the bids handed out over the last couple of weeks they have gone to teams that win by default, not by performance. I am not trying to be mean but look at what place they finished in their division and level 5 overall and it is crazy. Most teams have at large bids that are good by end of year and are just going for paid bids, so gyms with week level 5 teams go to these competitions and get an at large just to say they went to Worlds.

sad, but true. at this point, an at-large is almost equivalent to an invitation.

 

[DivasMom]

I totally agree that there should be a minimum score. Our team was recently at a comp where several teams already had bids. A team that got an at large had 2 stunts drop and many tds. It seems as though they just needed to give a bid to someone. I've seen teams go to bid comps late the season because they feel they are almost guaranteed a bid by default, not by talent.

 

[BubbleToes]

I think dropping one stunt and having one td shouldn't put a team that has the difficulty behind a team that is barely pulling off level 5.
I agree that a sloppy, weak level anything shouldn't get rewarded over a team that hits clean basics just bc they tried to do harder stuff. You don't get an A for effort. You get an A for hitting and an A+ for hitting difficulty.

I agree, and this is exactly what I think. I do not think a sloppy team doing hard scary stunts and kamikaze fulls and doubles for tumbling should be rewarded if they fall, nor if they hit for that matter! I am talking about teams with difficult skills, talent and usually clean routines. Stunts fall, even the best of them, but if you lose to a stunting level 3-4 team with double downs just to make them 5, and 3 fulls, something just doesn't seem right about our scoring.

 

[Num1Stunta]

sad, but true. at this point, an at-large is almost equivalent to an invitation.

I agree 100%... I know it sounds harsh, and I feel bad even saying it.

I saw a team at Cheersport in who was a trainwreck, behind the rest of the division by well over 100 points. I come to find out, they just received a bid within the last 2 weeks. I don't know how this can be possible, because I would even have been hesitant to put that team out there as SO5.

On the one hand, the whole "dare-to-dream" mentality kind of hits me. I love to see a team really setting their mind on a lofty goal, and trying to work for it. But, at what point to the coaches step back and see that they are just not ready for certain things?

 

[new2level5]

If you are weaker level 5 team just wait till the end of the year. If you look at the bids handed out over the last couple of weeks they have gone to teams that win by default, not by performance. I am not trying to be mean but look at what place they finished in their division and level 5 overall and it is crazy. Most teams have at large bids that are good by end of year and are just going for paid bids, so gyms with week level 5 teams go to these competitions and get an at large just to say they went to Worlds.

I couldn't have said it better.......

 

[cupieqt]

I agree 100%... I know it sounds harsh, and I feel bad even saying it.

I saw a team at Cheersport in who was a trainwreck, behind the rest of the division by well over 100 points. I come to find out, they just received a bid within the last 2 weeks. I don't know how this can be possible, because I would even have been hesitant to put that team out there as SO5.

On the one hand, the whole "dare-to-dream" mentality kind of hits me. I love to see a team really setting their mind on a lofty goal, and trying to work for it. But, at what point to the coaches step back and see that they are just not ready for certain things?

Agree! I DREAM of having a level 5 team right now (RIGHT NOW) and I could put together a weak one easily (2 fulls, 2 girls that can double down) but no way am I going to set my kids up to be humiliated, possibly injured and gossiped about. They haven't dominated level 3 yet tho so I have to be smart not greedy. We always work for the next level and we try to emulate the level 5s even with my mini level 1. I think that will set us up for success now AND in the future.

 

[CDRCoach17]

Let's be honest people. 80% of the teams that are going to worlds are going for the experience. Most gyms plan there season around going to worlds. It isn't about winning a competition anymore...it is about bid chasing. I have said this 1,000 times. How many teams in each category really have a shot at getting a globe this year? International will be a toss up due to the rules of only 3 American teams making it.

The usual contendors are ALWAY at the top for the globes. Everyone else is going to try and make it to day 2 or place top 15. It is a sad but true statement. Break down the divisions of who really has a shot at the globe, and you will only come up with maybe 25-30 teams.
Worlds is like March Madness....you have your Ohio State's, Duke, UNC, UConn's of the world....and then you have teams like VCU who crash the party every once in awhile.
That last at large team to crash the party was Basic Superstars in small senior.

 

[WorkToWin]

sad, but true. at this point, an at-large is almost equivalent to an invitation.

i completely agree. but there are a few exceptions like with anything. there are some at larges that deserve to go to worlds more than some of the full paid. like orlando all stars angels and elite cheer stars... they both placed higher than the team(s) that got the full paid(s)... but UCA gave it to division champs, and UPA gave it to the 3rd place team in a different division instead of the highest scoring team of the whole competition.

 

[ztaprincess]

It's not tested enough and sometimes, like this season, it comes out after the first bid event.

This is what bugs me. I think that if you are going to a compeitition to receive a bid to worlds then you should be judged on the worlds scoresheet. Teams are going to competitions that basically just hand out bids when in reality if they were judged by the worlds scoresheet they would never have gotten that bid. Is there not a way that the USASF can get the scoresheet out before the first competitions of the year?

 

[cheererinIL]

@Flyer mom

I think I shimmy-ed all of your posts.

 

[newcheerdad]

Let's be honest people. 80% of the teams that are going to worlds are going for the experience. Most gyms plan there season around going to worlds. It isn't about winning a competition anymore...it is about bid chasing. I have said this 1,000 times. How many teams in each category really have a shot at getting a globe this year? International will be a toss up due to the rules of only 3 American teams making it.

The usual contendors are ALWAY at the top for the globes. Everyone else is going to try and make it to day 2 or place top 15. It is a sad but true statement. Break down the divisions of who really has a shot at the globe, and you will only come up with maybe 25-30 teams.
Worlds is like March Madness....you have your Ohio State's, Duke, UNC, UConn's of the world....and then you have teams like VCU who crash the party every once in awhile.
That last at large team to crash the party was Basic Superstars in small senior.

Since my cheer parent experience is limited to my little corner of the world, I don't know what it's like elsewhere. But it seems like for some gyms, a world's team is almost a business necessity. Like you have to be able to say "we go to worlds" in order to compete for kids.