All-Star Next Year At World Bid Events....

[idrive]

The score you receive is a combination of several areas. Lets say Team A has a stronger routine than Team B but Team A drops a stunt and has a fall in a difficult pyramid and Team B does what is needed to get them in the correct scoring range (based on the scoresheet) for that Level 5 event, then that team (Team A) will be behind Team B. Team B should have had a higher starting score but because of the deductions are behind. If they hit on day 2 then it will take care of itself IF all else is equal. If Team B has a higher scoring dance and appears to have more energy then the mistakes Team A made on day 1 may be what keeps them in second. Remember 2 day events combine the two days in some way to get your final scores.

It comes down to this. If you are going for a Worlds bid you had better look at the scoresheets before attending to see what you have to do to score in the proper range. The other assumption here is the judges are of good quality and have a good resume of judging. We attended one event where some teams who finished ahead of us didn't get deducted on several items because the judges either didn't see it or choose not to apply those deductions. As a result we were out of the running for that particular bid event. We made our mistakes as well but not nearly as many as some teams ahead of us. Good judges cost more money and some Event Producers simply can't afford them.

 

[socratesofcheer]

@flyermom i think you are sorely mistaken on all of these top level 5 teams. I would find it hard to believe that these large gyms are just cutting tons of level 5 athletes so they can "stack" a team. Also, these large gyms have multiple level 5 teams that they are trying to make competitive.

For example, the following programs have multiple worlds teams that can be very competitive in their respective division. These do not count their intl open teams which can also pull athletes from the traditional sr divisions (i think everyone one of my examples has at least one version of an intl team going to worlds)

Cheer Athletics Sm. sr. and Semi Coed
California Sm Sr Sm, sr limited coed,and Unlimited Coed
Stingrays Sm Sr, Lg sr and Large Limited Coed
World Cup Lrg. sr, Lg limited coed, and sm sr
CEA Lg sr. Sm sr. unlimited coed, and I think they have some other worlds team
Md Twisters Lg. sr. sm. sr., sm limited coed.

So, who exactly is "stacking" their worlds team? It seems that the large gym has to spread the wealth between their worlds teams to be competitive.

 

[socratesofcheer]

@Flyer mom @socratesofcheer

Stingrays does have a large number of kids, and quite a bit of them will never be level 5. One of the reasons our program has grown so large is while we do have athletes who may never go to Worlds or throw a full we treat EACH team with as much attention as our Worlds teams. We hang our Tiny Level 1 banner right next to the Small Senior 5 banner in our gym. It sounds like our biggest advantage is we treat all the same at the end of the day. Maybe that is our unfair advantage... we have a strong close staff who puts the time and effort into all teams? And when you put all that time into, say, a junior 2 you find and learn techniques for Small Senior 5?

Should we complain that California has multiple locations to pull from a Small Senior team? That is clearly an unfair advantage!! And their state is larger... I think it has more people... unfair advantage! They also have wayyyyy better really good burritos... UNFAIR ADVANTAGE!

it all makes so much sense now

 

[blunchin]

why can't we all just compete against each other and call it a day?

 

[King]

why can't we all just compete against each other and call it a day?

because if someone is winning they probably have an unfair advantage.

 

[newcheerdad]

D2 gyms will complain D1 gyms are recruiting their kids. Separate the two and never the paths shall cross. It's to help out the D2 gyms.

I'd worry about the logistics of it more than anything. In some parts of the country, D1 or D2-specific competitions might not be viable. Plus programs might not like the idea of not being able to take all their teams to the same comp.

 

[King]

I'd worry about the logistics of it more than anything. In some parts of the country, D1 or D2-specific competitions might not be viable. Plus programs might not like the idea of not being able to take all their teams to the same comp.

A program is D1 or D2. Not inter gym.

 

[tumbleyoda]

If the rules were adhered to I think it could be covered. I also think you could specifically set up the restricted divisions - non worlds in the D2 and not have them in D1. This would allow the purposes for which it was stated those divisions were restricted.

Now another question. IIRC some schools when transitioning to D1 only do it in one sport - usually football or basketball, while all the other sports remain D2, Would this new possible scenario allow a gym to compete D1 in Level 5 but D2 in all other Levels? Dont mean to muddy the water but I am looking at loopholes....

 

[tumbleyoda]

@ Kingston - so the entire program would have to declare? Would it hold for the year or could they move up during the comp year? I agree that once they move up they couldn't move back.

 

[King]

@ Kingston - so the entire program would have to declare? Would it hold for the year or could they move up during the comp year? I agree that once they move up they couldn't move back.

Whole year. Think of gymnastics. there are a ton of gymnastics gyms, but only a few teaching level 10, right? There are tons of colleges, but not all of them are D1. Be a great D2. Be competitive for you. Win all your divisions. Compete against your peers.

 

[King]

@ Kingston - so the entire program would have to declare? Would it hold for the year or could they move up during the comp year? I agree that once they move up they couldn't move back.

You have to attach the @ sign to the username to alert me.

 

[tumbleyoda]

Sorry....first time I tried. Epic Fail. Can I go back to D3? LOL.

 

[tumbleyoda]

I would prefer to whole year approach myself. Say by August 31st you must declare?

 

[King]

I would prefer to whole year approach myself. Say by August 31st you must declare?

I think you declare early, by March 1st. No shenanigans after tryouts for kids and makes people be more stable.

 

[newcheerdad]

A program is D1 or D2. Not inter gym.

I'm not sure that works as well. For example, our program has teams that have multiple practices per week, required tumbling, and competes at major comps. It also has teams that have one practice per week and only competes locally. (smaller time and financial commitment) We don't have half-year teams, but you'd have to consider them as well. And I'm confident we're not the only gym with this type of setup.

If in this model we went (as a program) Division 1, which I'd assume would be more regional/national-type comps, then we'd have to take our "local" teams to those comps, or pick and choose. If we went Division 2, it would greatly limit our choices for our higher-level teams. That's why you have to have the ability to decide where you want individual teams to compete.

(This, of course, assumes that a program has to declare whether they're D1 or D2 at the beginning of the season and can't change based on the competition.)

And as I said, in some parts of the country, an all "Division 1" or "Division 2" competition might not get enough teams to be viable for an event producer.

I actually liked the idea of breaking out programs by division initially, but not so much as I think about it.