All-Star Qualified Coaches - The Real Issue

[imrichhowboutu]

Everyone keeps saying this is the real issue. Do you really think the USASF doesn't know this? Do you think they are completely oblivious?

I can guarantee that the USASF knows that improper instruction is the root of the injury problem. While they work to remedy that situation and create a regimented certification process, there needs to be change.

If they know coaches aren't qualified to teach certain skills, remove those skills until they know coaches are at a good place with their competence in instruction.

 

[Coach Troy]

This is a smokescreen for someone's ultimate agenda otherwise it would have been voted on properly
Eliminating skills will not improve coaching that is just idiotic. What happens when next year the statistics show backwalkovers are the most dangerous skill are you gonna get rid of them??!!

 

[Philly Pherocious]

I believe that a very strong technique scoring system would weed out the people throwing the skills with dangerous technique while leaving qualified tumblers able to still compete these skills.

How would USASF judge whether or not a coach is competent enough to coach these skills when they are not allowed to? Making all full doubles illegal isn't going to make the coaches better at coaching full doubles.

 

[Mclovin]

I have had 2 kids break their arms doing a bwo and a cartwheel (at home). Should we ban these, too, til their parents know better than to let them work new skills at home??

 

[chyeeaaa69]

The higher powers don't want to admit that what they've been doing for years has been wrong. I believe that what needs to happen is minimal restrictions on tumbling (maybe no bounding in standing tumbling, no standing doubles, nothing TOO severe), and a HUGE overhaul of the training a coach goes through to become USASF certified. That way, you do almost meet in the middle. You eliminate some of the more difficult elements, meaning less room for error in the coaching and competing process, and you up the training that coaches receive so that they are more equipped to coach the skills.

 

[CoachTamara]

The higher powers don't want to admit that what they've been doing for years has been wrong. I believe that what needs to happen is minimal restrictions on tumbling (maybe no bounding in standing tumbling, no standing doubles, nothing TOO severe), and a HUGE overhaul of the training a coach goes through to become USASF certified. That way, you do almost meet in the middle. You eliminate some of the more difficult elements, meaning less room for error in the coaching and competing process, and you up the training that coaches receive so that they are more equipped to coach the skills.

But why? There is no reason for a coach to become USASF certified, because nobody cares. It is not required, it is not regulated. It was said that 90% of gyms are not USASF gyms, and nobody cares-they still compete. At this point, there is no major advantage for a small gym that doesn't go to worlds to join the USASF. To have a vote? The vote means nothing anyway, because the USASF has final say. This is the major problem with the system.
The USASF has zero power unless it comes to rules, and many of the rules can only be enforced by EPs that allow them to become real rules at their competitions. Crossovers, sandbagging, certifications, training, etc are things they cannot enforce. Skills are tangible items that an EP can regulate and disqualify for, and it's the only real thing they can control until some of the other pieces of the puzzle get worked out.

 

[brandon0309]

Then make it all level 5 coaches & tumbling instructors have special certifications since a lot of small gyms without level 5 gyms don't care. That would eliminate the crazy numbers of level 1-4 coaches who's tumbling changes weren't affected.

 

[MomOf2ThatsMe]

The higher powers don't want to admit that what they've been doing for years has been wrong. I believe that what needs to happen is minimal restrictions on tumbling (maybe no bounding in standing tumbling, no standing doubles, nothing TOO severe), and a HUGE overhaul of the training a coach goes through to become USASF certified. That way, you do almost meet in the middle. You eliminate some of the more difficult elements, meaning less room for error in the coaching and competing process, and you up the training that coaches receive so that they are more equipped to coach the skills.

I think that is the direction USASF may be going but in this order..

Take away the skills that athletes are more likely to be injured doing
HUGE overhaul of the training a coach goes through to become USASF certified.
minimal restrictions on tumbling (maybe no bounding in standing tumbling, no standing doubles, nothing TOO severe),
That way, you do almost meet in the middle.

 

[imrichhowboutu]

Take away the skills that athletes are more likely to be injured doing
HUGE overhaul of the training a coach goes through to become USASF certified.
minimal restrictions on tumbling (maybe no bounding in standing tumbling, no standing doubles, nothing TOO severe),

I think that is exactly what is happening here.

 

[tumbleyoda]

But why? There is no reason for a coach to become USASF certified, because nobody cares. It is not required, it is not regulated. It was said that 90% of gyms are not USASF gyms, and nobody cares-they still compete. At this point, there is no major advantage for a small gym that doesn't go to worlds to join the USASF. To have a vote? The vote means nothing anyway, because the USASF has final say. This is the major problem with the system.
The USASF has zero power unless it comes to rules, and many of the rules can only be enforced by EPs that allow them to become real rules at their competitions. Crossovers, sandbagging, certifications, training, etc are things they cannot enforce. Skills are tangible items that an EP can regulate and disqualify for, and it's the only real thing they can control until some of the other pieces of the puzzle get worked out.

The only reason many coaches/gyms support the USASF is for Worlds. Period. No Worlds, that support drops dramatically.

I have had 2 kids break their arms doing a bwo and a cartwheel (at home). Should we ban these, too, til their parents know better than to let them work new skills at home??

Yes! Lets get after those parents who push their children over the instruction of their tumbling coaches too. Who cares if you can not connect two decent running or standing BHS together. You need a tuck to be on a level 3 team and I am not going to pay for you to be on a Level 2 team again.

 

[imrichhowboutu]

I have had 2 kids break their arms doing a bwo and a cartwheel (at home). Should we ban these, too, til their parents know better than to let them work new skills at home??

It is easier to get a coach qualified to teach a BWO and a Cartwheel then it is to teach them to instruct other skills.

The risk of you getting hurt takes a lot of things into consideration.
- Instruction (it takes less certification time to get someone up to speed on a CW or BWO then a Double double)
- impact to the athlete (it is less stressfull on the body)
- conditioning (you don't need to be in the same shape to do a CW vs a double)

 

[imrichhowboutu]

This is a smokescreen for someone's ultimate agenda otherwise it would have been voted on properly
Eliminating skills will not improve coaching that is just idiotic. What happens when next year the statistics show backwalkovers are the most dangerous skill are you gonna get rid of them??!!

I don't think anyone said that Eliminating skills will improve coaching. Eliminating skills will eliminate injuries during those skills. Now without the worry of people coaching things incorrectly, they can work on a process for proper education.

 

[tumbleyoda]

I think that is the direction USASF may be going but in this order..

Take away the skills that athletes are more likely to be injured doing
HUGE overhaul of the training a coach goes through to become USASF certified.
minimal restrictions on tumbling (maybe no bounding in standing tumbling, no standing doubles, nothing TOO severe),
That way, you do almost meet in the middle.

The problem is just as many kids get hurt doing/learning BHS because there are more kids learning them. Also because the range of athletes learning them is so great in age and ability. Do we stop bringing in school teams whose athletes generally speaking are not as realistic to the learning time frame of a BHS and who need it in 3 weeks for tryouts, knowing that increases the risk of their injury?

Now if the issue is them getting hurt at competition doing those skills, then the EP's should self regulate that, if that is the EP's concern.

Not arguing. Just fleshing it out.

 

[GreatWhite92]

I think I am going to support debbie love since I am pretty sure she knows more about tumbling than anyone when she says shes seen more injures on straight running doubles than standing fulls or bounding passes...

 

[Mclovin]

It is easier to get a coach qualified to teach a BWO and a Cartwheel then it is to teach them to instruct other skills.

The risk of you getting hurt takes a lot of things into consideration.
- Instruction (it takes less certification time to get someone up to speed on a CW or BWO then a Double double)
- impact to the athlete (it is less stressfull on the body)
- conditioning (you don't need to be in the same shape to do a CW vs a double)

But regardless of how much easier it is to spot or teach these skills, kids are still getting injured. I don't know about all the studies the USASF has apparently done, but in MY gym, the ONLY injuries we have had have come from level 1 skills...done at home....