All-Star Qualified Coaches - The Real Issue

[imrichhowboutu]

It isn't about the total number, its about the percent. Look at the Quantity Injured vs the Quantity Performed

If there are lets say 1,000 injuries in BHS this year, but 100,000 athletes attempting them, that is a great %.
If there are lets say 200 athletes attempting whip doubles and 25 of them get hurt, then that is a higher % of athletes being injured.

You are increasing your risk of getting hurt when you move on to those bounding skills (and others). I don't think they would arbitrarily pick skills without doing research. (just like the High School rules. They said they looked at research and double downs had the highest % of injury vs the number performed).

 

[tumbleyoda]

It is easier to get a coach qualified to teach a BWO and a Cartwheel then it is to teach them to instruct other skills.

The risk of you getting hurt takes a lot of things into consideration.
- Instruction (it takes less certification time to get someone up to speed on a CW or BWO then a Double double)
- impact to the athlete (it is less stressfull on the body)
- conditioning (you don't need to be in the same shape to do a CW vs a double)

Funny I don't remember those questions on the safety test. Take an out of condition athlete doing a CW with her hands in the wrong position and she can break her arm pretty easily. (seen it happen and it is not pretty)

I hear you and get it, but I still don't think it is the right way to advance it. I am 100 percent for training at all levels. I just dont want to see athletes who have trained hard punished and coaches who know what they are doing punished. Especially when we are not considering all the other ways these athletes get injured.

 

[imrichhowboutu]

But regardless of how much easier it is to spot or teach these skills, kids are still getting injured. I don't know about all the studies the USASF has apparently done, but in MY gym, the ONLY injuries we have had have come from level 1 skills...done at home....

I am almost positive the USASF has rules on what type of surfaces and under what type of supervision skills should be performed.

 

[tumbleyoda]

But regardless of how much easier it is to spot or teach these skills, kids are still getting injured. I don't know about all the studies the USASF has apparently done, but in MY gym, the ONLY injuries we have had have come from level 1 skills...done at home....

Most of our injuries are school cheerleading injuries that happen at school, and falling down or up stairs.

 

[imrichhowboutu]

I just dont want to see athletes who have trained hard punished and coaches who know what they are doing punished. Especially when we are not considering all the other ways these athletes get injured.

I agree it is awful for these athletes that make up less than 0.5% of all cheerleaders in the country.

 

[Mclovin]

I am almost positive the USASF has rules on what type of surfaces and under what type of supervision skills should be performed.

But parents aren't governed by the USASF. They can let their kids do whatever they want at home...injuries are still happening.

 

[tumbleyoda]

I agree it is awful for these athletes that make up less than 0.5% of all cheerleaders in the country.

Again true. But then train everybody! The issue is not just trained coaches but proper progressions! That means start at the bottom. If USASF can say they have a certification plan in place and it will be a two year hold, then I am more comfortable with it. But the fear of many is that this is a smokescreen and the certification that you mention will never happen.

 

[GreatWhite92]

But parents aren't governed by the USASF. They can let their kids do whatever they want at home...injuries are still happening.

I have been cheering for 12 years my ONLY injury (I was level 5 for 9 of those years) was when I did a toe touch off the stage in the school musical...which was my own fault and I was back to tumbling (threw a double) in 3 weeks...

 

[imrichhowboutu]

I have been cheering for 12 years my ONLY injury (I was level 5 for 9 of those years) was when I did a toe touch off the stage in the school musical...which was my own fault and I was back to tumbling (threw a double) in 3 weeks...

That isn't a cheerleading injury. That is a stupidity injury.

 

[imrichhowboutu]

Again true. But then train everybody! The issue is not just trained coaches but proper progressions! That means start at the bottom. If USASF can say they have a certification plan in place and it will be a two year hold, then I am more comfortable with it. But the fear of many is that this is a smokescreen and the certification that you mention will never happen.

But none of us will know that until that information comes out. With all of the uproar, I don't see the USASF just sitting by and not making any statements.

 

[MomOf2ThatsMe]

The problem is just as many kids get hurt doing/learning BHS because there are more kids learning them. Also because the range of athletes learning them is so great in age and ability. Do we stop bringing in school teams whose athletes generally speaking are not as realistic to the learning time frame of a BHS and who need it in 3 weeks for tryouts, knowing that increases the risk of their injury?

Now if the issue is them getting hurt at competition doing those skills, then the EP's should self regulate that, if that is the EP's concern.

Not arguing. Just fleshing it out.

No, you're fine. Yes, I am sure there may be just as many kids getting hurt, however, I am sure the % of kids getting injured doing level 1 skills that have attempted them within the confines of an allstar facility is probably less than the % being injured attempting level 5 in the same conditions. Hence why you rarely (ever?) see braces on level 1 teams, and it is pretty normal to see athletes on upper levels with them.

I don't know enough about school teams to comment on that. I do know that almost nobody gets a BHS in 3 weeks. Except guys.

:)

 

[GreatWhite92]

That isn't a cheerleading injury. That is a stupidity injury.

I know it was stupidity but I was using my cheerleading knowledge to do that stupidity and I am supporting the fact that a lot of injuries don't come from throwing those skills but rather stupidity of trying something you shouldnt

 

[chyeeaaa69]

But why? There is no reason for a coach to become USASF certified, because nobody cares. It is not required, it is not regulated. It was said that 90% of gyms are not USASF gyms, and nobody cares-they still compete. At this point, there is no major advantage for a small gym that doesn't go to worlds to join the USASF. To have a vote? The vote means nothing anyway, because the USASF has final say. This is the major problem with the system.
The USASF has zero power unless it comes to rules, and many of the rules can only be enforced by EPs that allow them to become real rules at their competitions. Crossovers, sandbagging, certifications, training, etc are things they cannot enforce. Skills are tangible items that an EP can regulate and disqualify for, and it's the only real thing they can control until some of the other pieces of the puzzle get worked out.

I guess you're right, maybe I'm saying Varsity, or SOMEONE should have a credentialing system that ALL EP's agree to and if you are not certified, you do not compete. I think that's what USASF has tried to do, but like you said, not everyone supports USASF in that way.

 

[CoachTamara]

I guess you're right, maybe I'm saying Varsity, or SOMEONE should have a credentialing system that ALL EP's agree to and if you are not certified, you do not compete. I think that's what USASF has tried to do, but like you said, not everyone supports USASF in that way.

Totally agree. They just simply don't have the power, and it comes back to the $$$. If they don't allow teams to compete, they don't get money. If they allow teams to continue to compete, nothing changes and they have no power.

 

[Mamarazzi]

I don't think anyone said that Eliminating skills will improve coaching. Eliminating skills will eliminate injuries during those skills. Now without the worry of people coaching things incorrectly, they can work on a process for proper education.

This is an understandable explanation, but what is the USASF's plan? Seems to me it would make the most sense for them to state that a plan IS in the works for better training requirements for coaches than to allow the cheer world to flip out right now.