Thank you. It will actually be VERY rare that I would EVER compete with a Team of 20 ever again. #Team19
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Yes, to some extent and it happens fairly often- particularly on coed teams. We often called it the 'double full' scholarship on here- be a boy, go to a gym with a double full, cheer for free. Sometimes there are compensations- they teach classes/coach a team, clean the gym, etc. Sometimes nothing. Depends on the situation. From what some people have said it's not a problem- but I'd assume it's not a problem so long as the boy stays at the program. But if you have no obligation fiscally, I can imagine it's much easier to break ties. Which therefore becomes a problem.
Said this before, but we provide a product.
If at any point, you feel as though someone else can provide said product better, you leave (obviously you lose $ as we cannot refund it, but you can leave.)
Coke doesn't require you to be released by Coke to purchase a Pepsi. Why is cheer different?
Your point about the door swinging both ways is correct.
I can release an athlete for missing 20 practices. This is a business relationship and their part of the business bargain is not being upheld.
They are also like Coke/Pepsi. If I decide that another child can fulfill that bargain better, they will be replaced. I am not bound contractually to have that child on my team.
It works the same for me/the program.
Yes Fully scholarshipped means no expenses at all. No tuition , Comp fees, uniforms, etc... The gym is covering all expenses while the athlete is competing for the team.
Most Definitely makes sense. Thanks for the insight.A release would be situational. Is the athlete coming in to have a meeting with me professionally with their parents? Or are they just going to quit, bad mouth me and the program and then demand a waiver and say its not fair? I would more than likely release ANYONE who schedules a meeting like I stated earlier.
To answer your last question, the replaced person automatically becomes an alternate. We have been upfront all year… I have Out of the 22 kids, I have 19 on the mat. 20 kids throw all level 5 skills (2 to full, running full, Jump Tuck, etc). So if one of those 'tumblers' cant hit a skill, I have room to put in a level 4 kid who can make a stunt hit. Make sense?
Impossible is probably the wrong word, but definitely hard. Yes you have the occasional black & white reasons. The kid is cut from their team/the kids family moves away. In those cases the gym just needs to get over themselves. However there are way more reasons that a kid shouldn't be released than should. If a kid wants a release and the reason behind it is shady, then what makes any of us think he won't lie about his reason to get that release. In this day and age, all a kid has to do to get their way is claim they feel bullied, wether they do or not doesn't matter. Anyone in charge of appeals, even if the kid owed money to the gym, would grant that release. Reason being is that can you imagine the backlash on the USASF if that kid really was bullied and they didn't release him. What if that kid wasn't released and then tried to hurt himself? The USASF would never want that type of responsibility, so they would ok every single appeal, because who can judge how a child feels? I just think appeals would be a waste, because if a kid wants one, they're going to get it. Why even go through all that work and waste the resources and time?Why would an appeals-process be impossible? Make very clear rules when a release can be denied (for example when money is still owed), and then an appeals-process is very possible. The problem is, right now it is up to the gym owner if or for what reason they sign/don't sign the release. As of right now you could even be denied a release if you moved too far away to attend practices anymore.
In response to gyms not fulfilling their end of the contract, last I checked you signed up to cheer for XYZ Allstars. You didn't sign up for XYZ Allstars Senior large coed 5. The gym owes you no right to the team you feel you should be on. It's their team. If they decide its in the best interest to make an XYZ small coed 5 and XYZ small coed 4, that's in their right and doesn't do anything wrong according to the contract. They may move you to another team that you may or may not like, but again you only signed up to cheer in the program. There was no contract for that one team.How about this scenario....at another relatively local gym (late fall, but prior to first competition) they decide to downsize one of the World's teams due to lack of talent and make another World's team with those athletes and some from lower levels. One athlete decides that even though they are still on the original team, this is not what they contracted for (expected to compete on a larger team) and wanted to leave. They had contacted other areas gyms to meet the staff, but had not been placed on a team or tried out. Their original gym found out (they always do) and refused to release them and then removed them from the original team and said they would now be on the "lower level" World's team. This athlete (and their parents) have now had to either move forward on the new team or lose the year competing. This is not the first time I have heard of these type of actions, but find it DISGUSTING that a gym owner would be that vindictive. I totally agree with having waivers, but there needs to be something for the athletes/parents too. Gyms are "providing a product", but WE ARE THE CUSTOMERS and when we sign a contract, we are held to the requirements. Gyms should be too! Changing the "rules" in the middle of the season should allow for the customer to void the contract as well and get a waiver if needed. I don't know understand the gym "mind-set" that they are doing athletes and their parents a favor by allowing them to pay for this extremely expensive sport and that they can do whatever they want once they get a signature on a contract back in June.
And this is my issue. I don't have a problem with the release idea, it just needs to be balanced to protect both kids and the gym owners.In response to gyms not fulfilling their end of the contract, last I checked you signed up to cheer for XYZ Allstars. You didn't sign up for XYZ Allstars Senior large coed 5. The gym owes you no right to the team you feel you should be on. It's their team. If they decide its in the best interest to make an XYZ small coed 5 and XYZ small coed 4, that's in their right and doesn't do anything wrong according to the contract. They may move you to another team that you may or may not like, but again you only signed up to cheer in the program. There was no contract for that one team.
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That's true. But what if tuition is based on your team and your team changes? Say you pay $50 more each month to be on the senior 5. You pay that for 9 months and then get moved down or replaced. Now say your replacement has been on a Jr team ($50 less a month) should the gym refund your overage money and ask the new athlete to pay the back fees?In response to gyms not fulfilling their end of the contract, last I checked you signed up to cheer for XYZ Allstars. You didn't sign up for XYZ Allstars Senior large coed 5. The gym owes you no right to the team you feel you should be on. It's their team. If they decide its in the best interest to make an XYZ small coed 5 and XYZ small coed 4, that's in their right and doesn't do anything wrong according to the contract. They may move you to another team that you may or may not like, but again you only signed up to cheer in the program. There was no contract for that one team.
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In response to gyms not fulfilling their end of the contract, last I checked you signed up to cheer for XYZ Allstars. You didn't sign up for XYZ Allstars Senior large coed 5. The gym owes you no right to the team you feel you should be on. It's their team. If they decide its in the best interest to make an XYZ small coed 5 and XYZ small coed 4, that's in their right and doesn't do anything wrong according to the contract. They may move you to another team that you may or may not like, but again you only signed up to cheer in the program. There was no contract for that one team.
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