All-Star Starting A Discussion: The Safety Of Spring Floor Vs... Well.. Anything Else

[MyDaughterCheers]

2 problems I see with limiting skills in high school are..

1. On the sideline, dumb coaches will still be dumb. The same coaches throwing back tuck baskets at games will still throw them. They wont stop bc nothing will happen to them if they're caught (except if you do it in my presence and I call the principal the next day :) haha done it a few times)

And if you have the stupid coach and stupid principal that my CPs school has, you are labeled a trouble maker and they see no problem with it. Frustrates me to NO END.

 

[cheerheart4life]

I agree with what has been said. Yes spring floor is a safer way to go. No it doesn't guarantee you will not have an injury but definitely minimizes one if it was to occur and could potentially save someone's life more so then if that same injury happened on a cement floor. How do you get this information out there for the people who lack common sense, idk.

Just for the record, and these may be graphic to look at but standing and falling back... Not from like a stunt but just your head hitting the concrete may make your head look like this. Sorry if these pics gross anyone out... Here is my head which I had to get staples in because me being the smart person I am waited several days before going to the hospital lol

The day it happened

The next day.

Now imagine if I was a flyer and fell out of a stunt to a hard ground it would have been crucial.

I think part of this comes with people lacking common sense and the other problem is mistakes happen. It could be that mistake on a round off or that mistake on a full. Same for stunting. I know alot of schools don't have access to this unless practicing at an all star gym or something similar. It would be nice if the state allocated money for the schools like they do for the football field or the band. I know that's not possible and no matter how much we know they aren't going to see it is a necessity and I believe if my daughter cheers in high school 8 years from now she will probably be practicing the same way they do now. In areas not sufficient to help reduce injuries. Football players get all kinds of pads, helmets, and gear to keep them safe. I think even to schools with outstanding cheer teams no one really views them as something to help them improve the way they have been doing it.

I just got EXTREMELY quesy. Guess I can't be a doctor...

 

[TheVipersMom]

I just got EXTREMELY quesy. Guess I can't be a doctor...

Lol I was walking and just fell back. I laid there for like a minute and I'm going omg this is the worst pain I ever felt in my life. But I lived I'm ok, then I stand up and my friend is like omg there is blood Kristen .. I put my hand back and felt and there it was when I pulled my hand around. Nothing but blood. She was like u need to go to the hospital, I was like no I'm fine I'm just going to go home. I went home and went to sleep, I didn't know u weren't suppose to do that after a head injury!!! I didn't go to the doctor till days later I went to work.. My head was still bleeding and my manger forced me to go home and said I couldn't come back till it was covered so then I went to the emergency room. I got staples but it was no big deal! Lol

 

[cheerheart4life]

Lol I was walking and just fell back. I laid there for like a minute and I'm going omg this is the worst pain I ever felt in my life. But I lived I'm ok, then I stand up and my friend is like omg there is blood Kristen .. I put my hand back and felt and there it was when I pulled my hand around. Nothing but blood. She was like u need to go to the hospital, I was like no I'm fine I'm just going to go home. I went home and went to sleep, I didn't know u weren't suppose to do that after a head injury!!! I didn't go to the doctor till days later I went to work.. My head was still bleeding and my manger forced me to go home and said I couldn't come back till it was covered so then I went to the emergency room. I got staples but it was no big deal! Lol

OMG OMG OMG! Thank god your okay! Yeah you're supposed to go to the doctor as soon as you get a head injury, especially if there is blood! Yeah I think I would pass out if my head was bleeding, not because it hurt, but the smell of the blood and seeing the blood. Oh god, I can't even type blood.
Im done. I need to go lay down.

 

[ctgatormom]

My daughter just started football cheer this year and some of the things I have seen the other cheer teams doing in the middle of a muddy football field make me cringe...It's just unbelievable!!! Throwing baskets, stunts, tumbling all in the mud. Most of time I just sit in there in bleachers watching it through my fingers...Thinking OMG!!! Thank god my daughters team just keeps it simple or I would have pulled her by now for sure..lol! As far as tumbling goes I have absolutely forbidden her to do any running tumbling on the field and only standing bhs on the sideline. All time we have been to all the safety precautions taken at our all star gym but apparently in sideline anything goes...scary!!!

 

[King]

My daughter just started football cheer this year and some of the things I have seen the other cheer teams doing in the middle of a muddy football field make me cringe...It's just unbelievable!!! Throwing baskets, stunts, tumbling all in the mud. Most of time I just sit in there in bleachers watching it through my fingers...Thinking OMG!!! Thank god my daughters team just keeps it simple or I would have pulled her by now for sure..lol! As far as tumbling goes I have absolutely forbidden her to do any running tumbling on the field and only standing bhs on the sideline.

I'll tell you a secret... the crowd doesn't know the difference between a full and a handspring. I think only handsprings should be allowed at games really... MAYBE standing tucks.

 

[ctgatormom]

I'll tell you a secret... the crowd doesn't know the difference between a full and a handspring. I think only handsprings should be allowed at games really... MAYBE standing tucks.

The crowds at the local football don't even know the difference between a BHS and a back walkover..lol!! So I tried to convince my daughter to just do them instead..but no luck!

 

[King]

The crowds at the local football don't even know the difference between a BHS and a back walkover..lol!! So I tried to convince my daughter to just do them instead..but no luck!

I honestly think a decently performed backhandspring is low risk.

 

[Jennaw]

No surface besides a spring floor is safe.

-All Star cheerleader for 11 years never was injured at practice on a spring floor.
-School Cheerleader of 5 years. Fractured lower back on hardwood floor, tore ACL's on grass, broken hand/finger/ankle and wrist all from hardwood floor.
-Coach of 7 years, watched maybe two kids get severely injured on spring floor, watched about 50 come to practice with severe injuries from school cheer.
-Judge of six years..... had wayyyy more team injuries in WARM-UPS on the hard blue mats, then on the actual performance spring floor.

 

[Cheer_Explosion_Coach]

I'll tell you a secret... the crowd doesn't know the difference between a full and a handspring. I think only handsprings should be allowed at games really... MAYBE standing tucks.

Who's going to police these people? I've coached high school for 5 years now. EVERY year we play against a football team that has cheerleaders who do tuck baskets or inverted release moves. It ticks me off to no end bc inevitably I'm the bad coach who won't let my kids do it. Well my kids know by now that those cheerleaders are crazy and breaking rules so its nbd. However, principals and AD's don't know the AACCA or NHFS rules so there is noone to hold them accountable. I get this most of the time I've called principals.... "They are doing what??? And that's against the rules??" My reply... "Yes, sir that's a law suit waiting to happen" :) shuts it down pretty quick!

 

[AndyT_T]

So there is no difference when falling from a basket or a stunt onto a hard floor or a spring floor? It is all the exact same?

No offence, but it's kind of frustrating how you word your questions. You clearly have your opinion, and your asking it not from a neutral moderator point, but from the position of an opposing side of their opinion. Don't take the role of the moderator unless you are willing to take your opinion out of the equation and let the conversation flow as it does.
Sorry, that's been frustrating me for a while now. No hate, I just wanted to point it out.
Either be a moderator or be a debater, you cant be both.

 

[King]

No offence, but it's kind of frustrating how you word your questions. You clearly have your opinion, and your asking it not from a neutral moderator point, but from the position of an opposing side of their opinion. Don't take the role of the moderator unless you are willing to take your opinion out of the equation and let the conversation flow as it does.
Sorry, that's been frustrating me for a while now. No hate, I just wanted to point it out.
Either be a moderator or be a debater, you cant be both.

It's a message forum. Ever been to one before?

 

[AndyT_T]

It's a message forum. Ever been to one before?

Multiple times. I've seen people on 4chan have more tact.

On an unrelated note, I think this might be somewhat relevent:
http://www.acrobaticsports.com/detail.do?noArticle=1705&id_key=0

 

[King]

Multiple times. I've seen people on 4chan have more tact.

On an unrelated note, I think this might be somewhat relevent:
http://www.acrobaticsports.com/detail.do?noArticle=1705&id_key=0

And I've seen people on somethingawful have more brains.

It's a free board to you. No comments have ever been removed unless they had cussing or were asked to be removed. If someone has a valid point they are more than well allow dot post it, defend it, and discuss it. The admin title to to enforce rules. Unless someone goes outside the bounds of those rules I don't use it. I have never changed someones opinion, deleted someones opinion, or threatened someones opinion unless they went outside the bounds of the rules which SOLELY exist to keep it as civil as possible. Being as this is the longest running iteration of a cheer board (the others have been shut down many times) I am going to go out on a limb and say we probably have a good thing going. So, yes, you can complain, and I fully choose to ignore your complaint.

 

[AndyT_T]

And I've seen people on somethingawful have more brains.

It's a free board to you. No comments have ever been removed unless they had cussing or were asked to be removed. If someone has a valid point they are more than well allow dot post it, defend it, and discuss it. The admin title to to enforce rules. Unless someone goes outside the bounds of those rules I don't use it. I have never changed someones opinion, deleted someones opinion, or threatened someones opinion unless they went outside the bounds of the rules which SOLELY exist to keep it as civil as possible. Being as this is the longest running iteration of a cheer board (the others have been shut down many times) I am going to go out on a limb and say we probably have a good thing going. So, yes, you can complain, and I fully choose to ignore your complaint.

Ugh, look, I dont wanna start a fight. Just realize that there is a difference between sayin "Please elaborate on your opinion" and "Are you sure you believe that and not this?"
It's all about wording and tone. It sounds like you are talking down to people a lot.
Thats my two cents. Just, think about it.
Andy out. :cool: