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[GreenStormLucy]

What also sickens me is the parents that don't even care. Why would you buy your 16 year old and their friends alcohol? And for the parents who are completely oblivious-HOW?! Do you not see their twitter and instagram? It's ridiculous.

This is what really bothers me. Buying their own kids alcohol is bad enough in my opinion. But it´s their kids and i can side eye and maybe say something. But the imagination of parents who will buy my kids (or their own kids who will share it with mine) alcohol drives me nuts. I´m a nice person. At least i´m trying to be. But this would escalate quickly. For real.

 

[blyndreamalum]

What also sickens me is the parents that don't even care. Why would you buy your 16 year old and their friends alcohol? And for the parents who are completely oblivious-HOW?! Do you not see their twitter and instagram? It's ridiculous.

It was a well known fact when I was in high school which parents bought ( and partied) with kids. One set would play pong WITH the kids. They also held their son back in 8th grade to give him a better chance in athletics so...


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[SmileyRyleigh]

This is what really bothers me. Buying their own kids alcohol is bad enough in my opinion. But it´s their kids and i can side eye and maybe say something. But the imagination of parents who will buy my kids (or their own kids who will share it with mine) alcohol drives me nuts. I´m a nice person. At least i´m trying to be. But this would escalate quickly. For real.

IT DRIVES ME INSANE. I was in Panama City with my family and it also happened to be the week all of my party "friends" went down there to well.. have their senior trip. They were staying at the same hotel as me and my mom was absolutely disgusted at how they acted, and how much alcohol they had. One of my "friends" since middle school, something happened with a boy (that was stupid and not even worth any upset-ness) and she got upset and her mom dropped everything in TN, drove all the way to Panama City to bring one of her friends to comfort her, bought everyone alcohol, and then left. All in one day. and I'm just sitting there like.... oh. okay.

 

[Eyes On The Prize]

IT DRIVES ME INSANE. I was in Panama City with my family and it also happened to be the week all of my party "friends" went down there to well.. have their senior trip. They were staying at the same hotel as me and my mom was absolutely disgusted at how they acted, and how much alcohol they had. One of my "friends" since middle school, something happened with a boy (that was stupid and not even worth any upset-ness) and she got upset and her mom dropped everything in TN, drove all the way to Panama City to bring one of her friends to comfort her, bought everyone alcohol, and then left. All in one day. and I'm just sitting there like.... oh. okay.

I wish I wasn't on my phone so I could put the confused smiley about a bajillion times for this. What??


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[Senior5Allie]

@Senior5Allie how do you feel about kids across the country wearing red for a girl who overdosed? How many coaches are having conversations with kids about smart life choices? Or is she just a gorgeous cheerleader who died too young, let's wear red…

I think her death is awful and I am sad that nothing is likely to be done to change a culture that promotes/supports risk taking behaviour (which is why I started this thread).


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I'm not sure why you tagged me specifically in this but I honestly don't know how I feel about that. That's a tough one to answer. I really don't want to support the actions that led to such a tragedy but I don't want to ignore a life lost either. I feel supporting the people left behind who are hurting terribly is never a bad thing and I would absolutely support wearing a specific color to show all closely affected that we are all behind them.

I think this thread is great discussion, I just wanted to kind of throw out a reminder that we could be giving ideas to kids without even realizing it. I went through some stuff a while ago (not this same situation) and learned some "tips" so to speak from a discussion board that was not intended for that. You'd be surprised what can help the wrong eyes learn new ways to get away with things that could really hurt or kill them.

 

[Aussiekat]

@Senior5Allie I tagged you because you said "I just wanted to suggest that we watch what we are saying in this thread as some things can be giving kids more info on drugs than they need to know," which would seemingly relate to how you feel about kids wearing red to memorialise a girl who overdosed. We aren't telling anyone HOW to overdose, or HOW to take drugs, and presumably neither are gyms having that discussion with junior aged athletes.

This thread is no more giving kids info on drugs than gyms nationwide having kids wear red. The internet is a dark place, my friend. If anyone is getting drug info from the fierceboard, they're doing the internet wrong.

 

[King]

This thread is no more giving kids info on drugs than gyms nationwide having kids wear red. The internet is a dark place, my friend. If anyone is getting drug info from the fierceboard, they're doing the internet wrong.

Do I need to add that section?

 

[cheernerd5678]

What also sickens me is the parents that don't even care. Why would you buy your 16 year old and their friends alcohol? And for the parents who are completely oblivious-HOW?! Do you not see their twitter and instagram? It's ridiculous.

Right, and even if they aren't buying it, there's no discipline when their kids come home drunk. I know a guy who went to a concert on a school night (not that it would be any better on a weekend), came home drunk and high, and his dad asked him if he had been drinking/smoking and then gave him a fist bump and that was that. If I came home like that my mom would be like "oh, cool, well have fun staying home for the rest of your life. I'm not paying for cheer anymore and give me your phone."


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[cheerisloving]

My parents know good and well that I have friends that drink and do drugs, they would be naive to think otherwise. They don't ban me from going to parties or hanging out with kids that do that stuff because they know that I will make good decisions. I've never given my parents a reason to worry. Not saying they are ok with me drinking, they've always asked that I waited and do it in a safe home environment. I have a lot of foreign friends who parents don't see anything wrong with them drinking because it's legal in their home country, and also have no problem if they are doing it at home.

I think where you are from plays a role as well, if you're in the suburbs like I am, kids feel like drinking and drugs is all they can do for fun. Luckily, our cops have very little to do so it's not uncommon for parties to be busted by cops and kids having to take drug and alcohol classes.

 

[Aussiekat]

It's a little too easy to blame parents for "bad kids". My parents are awesome. My school was awesome. I was an awful kid. There is never a right way to parent to ensure your child never touches drugs or alcohol until they're legal or the substance they want to use is legal. That's not why I started this thread.

I want to know what actions we can take as an industry or community to make taking drugs undesirable. Or does the industry benefit from maintaining the status quo? Fearless tiny flyers and jacked up bases. Kids who don't think twice about the dangers of throwing a risky skill because they actually can't think twice. Which programs do we know are substance free (and successful) and is it possibly to multiply that model while keeping the distinct culture of programs alive?


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[kristenthegreat]

I was trying to look up info from USAG (our closest sport match, realistically). As far as I could see, they not only test before competitions, but randomly as well. I'm guessing they only do it at the upper levels (elites), because I did it through the YMCA and don't ever remember having to pass a drug test. Granted, I was 14 when I quit..

The funny thing about doctored drug tests in college, is that the NFL as a whole seems to have a much different approach to drug testing. Anything that affects your ability to play the game aka make money for them (weed, other drugs, steroids) gives you huge sanctions (player who had weed was banned for a year which was hilarious because it sure as heck doesn't make you play better). Meanwhile Ray Rice drags his unconscious fiance around by her hair...and loses 2 games. Standards.

 

[ErinS]

I'm not sure why you tagged me specifically in this but I honestly don't know how I feel about that. That's a tough one to answer. I really don't want to support the actions that led to such a tragedy but I don't want to ignore a life lost either. I feel supporting the people left behind who are hurting terribly is never a bad thing and I would absolutely support wearing a specific color to show all closely affected that we are all behind them.

I think this thread is great discussion, I just wanted to kind of throw out a reminder that we could be giving ideas to kids without even realizing it. I went through some stuff a while ago (not this same situation) and learned some "tips" so to speak from a discussion board that was not intended for that. You'd be surprised what can help the wrong eyes learn new ways to get away with things that could really hurt or kill them.

This may sound harsh, but I don't think I would be okay with my child wearing red for someone that died in this manner, if that is going to be the extent of acknowledgement. If all we're going to do is wear red and rock "RIP ?????" bows for someone that died of an overdose, then no I wouldn't be okay with it.

This type of death is a valuable teaching moment. This is an opportunity for this particular university....and any university...or anyone affiliated with this sport, to start engaging in alcohol and drug abuse support, awareness, outreach or prevention Now they see first hand, from someone they saw nearly every day, the outcome of this particular struggle. Its not just someone on the news anymore, or a celebrity, it actually hits home. Like all that comes of this should NOT be "dedicating" your season to that particular person and then sweeping NCA Nationals.

So, it is my hope that more is being done behind the scenes to prevent this type of situation from occurring again, maybe changing the culture of the program in regard to drug and alcohol abuse and just using this situation as a platform to help others in general.

Seriously all that comes of this should not be a bow.

 

[kristenthegreat]

This may sound harsh, but I don't think I would be okay with my child wearing red for someone that died in this manner, if that is going to be the extent of acknowledgement. If all we're going to do is wear red and rock "RIP ?????" bows for someone that died of an overdose, then no I wouldn't be okay with it.

This type of death is a valuable teaching moment. This is an opportunity for this particular university....and any university...or anyone affiliated with this sport, to start engaging in alcohol and drug abuse support, awareness, outreach or prevention Now they see first hand, from someone they saw nearly every day, the outcome of this particular struggle. Its not just someone on the news anymore, or a celebrity, it actually hits home. Like all that comes of this should NOT be "dedicating" your season to that particular person and then sweeping NCA Nationals.

So, it is my hope that more is being done behind the scenes to prevent this type of situation from occurring again, maybe changing the culture of the program in regard to drug and alcohol abuse and just using this situation as a platform to help others in general.

Seriously all that comes of this should not be a bow.

Exactly. This isn't some random occurrence, there were steps that could have been taken to prevent this sort of thing. What are we DOING about it? How are we preventing this situation from happening again?

This is a wake-up call for everyone who thinks 'Oh it won't happen to me. I'm too XYZ ridiculous reasons.' Drug problems/overdoses aren't only for stupid/weird/fringe people, just like rape is more than some creepy dude hiding in the bushes.

 

[HeatUniqueJ]

For some reason i still hope it was just am accidental overdose ,sth like two types of medication didnt go well together . But after reading this thread and talking to a friend who cheered in college my view on college cheer has changed a bit and it'.s probably very unlikely :( I don't wanna generalize it but i'd rather be clean and on a not so good team than going through what a lot of Athletes apparently do to themselves in order to be on a very competitive Team.
I really hope something will change

 

[ErinS]

For some reason i still hope it was just am accidental overdose ,sth like two types of medication didnt go well together . But after reading this thread and talking to a friend who cheered in college my view on college cheer has changed a bit and it'.s probably very unlikely :( I don't wanna generalize it but i'd rather be clean and on a not so good team than going through what a lot of Athletes apparently do to themselves in order to be on a very competitive Team.
I really hope something will change

It very well could have been something like a bad reaction to some prescribed drugs. I think some of us are assuming the worst because we are already aware that the worst is already happening



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