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You can't simply "wake up and quit" as some people think.
tell me if I'm wrong please.......
tell me if I'm wrong please.......
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You can't simply "wake up and quit" as some people think.
tell me if I'm wrong please.......
I don't think anyone wakes up in the morning and says "I want to be. Drug addict!" There is always an underlying mental health concern (not that they're crazy, maybe that they're not able to deal with their particular life situation effectively) with any addict. If they don't get Help the healthy way, they frequently help themselves the unhealthy way.
I agree with your post, particularly about drug education, but regarding Louisville opening up conversation - they have no choice at this point, and sadly it will probably only be temporary. I have heard Louisville "stories" for years. My daughter is not allowed to even apply there. The coaches/administration have been attempting to cover it up or at the very least look the other way for years so as far as I am concerned they are as guilty of allowing it as their students are for doing it. I'm not saying these things don't happen at other colleges - it is one of my greatest fears of having my CP cheer in college, but I think it is far more prevalent at some schools than others.This is so sad to hear but she had to have know that this outcome could've happened. You don't mix drugs like that. (I mean, you just shouldn't do drugs to begin with but it's obviously too late for that talk...) I'm wondering if our drug education programs should start including what exactly each drug does, what drugs you should absolutely not mix, etc. I mean, obviously telling kids to not drink isn't going to do anything. Kids are going to drink anyways. Same with sex. Maybe changing the message to "You really really shouldn't do drugs, but if you do then here's what you need to know." There are a lot of things I have a problem with being taboo and having a stigma and drugs is really high up on that list. (Mental Health comes in at number one but that's another rant for another thread.) it's nice to see Louisville opening up conversation about it rather than trying to cover it up. I hope it can help a lot of people.
To the user who was wondering how many level 5 athletes are using drugs to enhance performance, I'm assuming more than would make you comfortable. At my school, I knew more kids with 3.9-4.0 GPAs that used Adderall than those who didn't. I don't know if it was the pressure of their programs, the amount of work, or whatever that made them feel like they needed it to do their work. These kids relied on it heavily. I should add that these kids did not have it prescribed to them either. It was quite alarming.
we don't know how often or for how long she was taking heroin. if she was using it as a nighttime recreational drug, her performance wouldnt really be affected, especially if she was getting herself up with amphetamine during athletics. she either didn't know her limits or was testing her limits with heroin. im guessing she didn't know, was new to it and took too much. im guessing that the night she died, she oded on that and probably with xanax. if it was the amphetamine that did her in, there would have been some cardiac and/or stroke complication noted in the autopsy report. the amphetamine was probably her regular thing for athletics. amphetamine does in fact help athletic performance...
I understand this. My towns not the best about substance problems, the last time I remember someone doing drugs being a serious issue was when I was in 7th grade and this one guy in my grade got arrested and spent 2 years in a juvenile detention center because he was selling cocain (at the whopping age of 12!) and I believe my brother is on vyvanse now, he hasn't lost any weight but he still isn't putting any weight on.THIS. I lost 40 pounds when I started taking my ADHD medication. I take vyvanse (its prescribed just to clarify), which is pretty much the same thing. People at school BEG for you to sell them some of your medication, one kid was so desperate he offered to give me $100 for one pill. Obviously I'm not stupid enough to sell it because basically if you mix any ADHD medication with anything it's just not good news, and kids are idiots and don't pay attention and I'm not going to be responsible-plus, if I sell a pill than thats one less that I have. Oh, and it's pretty illegal. It just amazes me what people do and talk about culture shock coming to college where drugs are common and so is drinking every night. My high school was pretty bad, too-actually, my entire town. It's super common for girls who are FRESHMAN IN HIGH SCHOOL to think they're pregnant and faking pregnancies to get a guy to stay with you is actually common- I'm embarrassed for them honestly. I've never been a partier and I can honestly say I will never be one. I'm always the designated driver/mom if I end up going somewhere with my friends. People do acid, smoke everything they can get their hands on, mix alcohol with deadly drugs, and drinking and driving is also more common than most people would like to know. It's kind of surprising to be honest. Not that you can bust every drug dealer or every parent that is buying their underage children alcohol, but I personally feel like this goes on way too often and people just turn the other cheek, it's sad that a tragedy has to happen for people to realize whats really going on with our generation.
you'd also be surprised how easy it is to transition from pain killers to heroin. they either lose their strength when you build up immunity, or you can't get access to them and heroin is the next step. i know plenty of people who started out that way. especially elite athletes. it makes a lot of sense, actually.
Exactly. When someone hears "kid experimenting with drugs", they might think "wow, I tried XYZ substance once, that could have been me in that news report!" Whereas the term 'drug addict' makes people feel as though the warning doesn't apply to them. Even then, some people might not be scared because no one around them has OD'd yet.What I fear here, is labeling her a "drug addict". You don't have to be a drug addict to do drugs, especially teens and college students. Plenty of the "kids" are drinking and drugging on a regular basis, but by no means, would they be labeled addicts. This is more the norm than not. The best of kids are doing it, as well the worst. You can educate your children thoroughly about the dangers, yet they still may try....and possibly enjoy it, making them believe that they know better and that there really is no harm of doing it, because "everyone is". They believe the ones who have had issues with alcohol and drugs (gotten in trouble when using, had a OD scare, DWI, etc) just don't know what they're doing. "That would never happen to me". And I'm willing to bet, there are plenty of kids, after hearing the news, still believe that "her drug use" was the problem, not theirs.
Be careful in believing that this an isolated incident. The OD's may be, the DWI's may be, but the "partying" will continue. Its rampant and there is PLENTY of kids doing the exact same thing as we discuss this, they just haven't gotten caught yet. For every kid who ODs, there are probably 100's who could've, but didn't.
I agree with your post, particularly about drug education, but regarding Louisville opening up conversation - they have no choice at this point, and sadly it will probably only be temporary. I have heard Louisville "stories" for years. My daughter is not allowed to even apply there. The coaches/administration have been attempting to cover it up or at the very least look the other way for years so as far as I am concerned they are as guilty of allowing it as their students are for doing it. I'm not saying these things don't happen at other colleges - it is one of my greatest fears of having my CP cheer in college, but I think it is far more prevalent at some schools than others.
Don't be sorry - it is a great novel! I agree - the more it gets talked about the better it is for everyone - students, parents, administrators, etc. I do feel it is becoming a crisis. When I was in college (decades ago!) alcohol was the norm and weed was fairly common, but that was it. I am sure there was drug use such as heroin or cocaine, but it was not even a thought in my social circle. I don't think pills or prescription drugs were even on my radar. There is so much more available now and it is far more prevalent, and I want to know about it, and I certainly want my kids to know about it. Knowledge is power. I don't want to hear "I have a secret about this subject but I'm not telling". We only hear about the good of college, cheer, athletics etc. I want to hear what the issues are, where they are, and do my best to educate my kids on how to avoid it!Sorry for the novel y'all.
You can't simply "wake up and quit" as some people think.
tell me if I'm wrong please.......
You don't have to be a drug addict, to die from using illegal (or legal) drugs.
Using amphetamines and heroin together is nothing new. Using uppers and downers together is not new. Just google it and people are openly talking about it in forums and how to get the best high from it. Speedballing (or forms of) have been around for a long time.