All-Star Summit Bid Winners 2015

[amy1k]

That was her point. The person she was responding to said they opted not to go to summit because they wouldn't have enough competition there. She was pointing out that that's true all season, so the Summit having no competition for them shouldn't have been any different or a surprise.

@amy1k I do not know why I am the only person that can understand your posts. [emoji12]

Omg! I know! Hahaha!

I do understand the problem, but we are a lot less sympathetic to groups outside of y5 who have a hard time maxing out teams in order to hit the scoresheet. If these teams want to attend the Summit (honestly, it doesn't really sound like they want to based on the parents I see post), they'll have to decide the best way to build their teams in order to be really competitive against the scoresheet for their level. For the rest of us, it's built in...we have to max out teams in order to win at all...the byproduct is teams being in the running for Summit bids. The process can't always be changed just because it's too hard for certain groups.

 

[notyourcheermom]

Varsity is a big business and it is about money, however, to get that money, they listened to their consumer. Prior to the Summit's existence, parents and athletes were on this board stating how their child, or they (athlete) would never make it to World's and wouldn't it be nice if we had a lower level World's....low and behold, it's here.
We are directing this industry more than people are willing to admit, and yes, they listen for the money. WC's, yes, were added for additional money, however, it was because there were parents and athletes out there whose gym didn't attend many 2 day events and those parents and athletes started clamoring they wanted to be included. Many small gyms don't go to 2 day comps, so add WC's to those 1 day events and lo and behold they're happy and Varsity makes more money because now more people attend. Bid events are over for our gym but, we still have parents willing to go to another travel comp for their child's team to get a bid, that's not Varsity, that's parents. No offense but, we are the foolish ones if we don't believe this money making industry ISN'T driven and directed by us. We say "we want", they listen, and they happily take our money. Gym owners are the ones, IMO, that have the tough job of determining "how much is too much" before the quantity of events consumes too much time and money (for them and their parents) and takes away from the quality of their program.

Right?! The parents of our little Y3 team last year had a fun 20 minutes trying to get our team to Nashville for one more shot at a bid. But some SM/SD had to go tattletale to the owner and we got a cease and desist e-mail within 30 mins of initial text of new to gym that year enthusiastic mom with a hey, they deserve one more shot attitude who didn't realize

Sorry didn't finish


Us parents were not allowed to even think about making decisions but I said, sure, I will pay. Let's go. Full on Summit bid fever. But we got a roll down soon after and had a successful end to their y3 season.

Eta one more time. The team dad asked me this year why no one text him last year when it was being discussed in those 20 mins. Oh, you would feel obligated to tell but I counted your CP as a yes. . Funny a year later but I guess our crazy was showing

Eta again. Never planned on going without a coach or gym, was just a see if whole team would commit financially first inquiry. We would have all been shown the door.

 

[TheDivineCheerYaYaSecret]

That was her point. The person she was responding to said they opted not to go to summit because they wouldn't have enough competition there. She was pointing out that that's true all season, so the Summit having no competition for them shouldn't have been any different or a surprise.

@amy1k I do not know why I am the only person that can understand your posts. [emoji12]

I understand them very well and am in agreement with what she is saying. The whole Y5 free bid to Summit thing has me feeling some kind of way and sometimes it is better to just read and not comment. ;)

 

[russscarce]

Varsity is a big business and it is about money, however, to get that money, they listened to their consumer. Prior to the Summit's existence, parents and athletes were on this board stating how their child, or they (athlete) would never make it to World's and wouldn't it be nice if we had a lower level World's....low and behold, it's here.
We are directing this industry more than people are willing to admit, and yes, they listen for the money. WC's, yes, were added for additional money, however, it was because there were parents and athletes out there whose gym didn't attend many 2 day events and those parents and athletes started clamoring they wanted to be included. Many small gyms don't go to 2 day comps, so add WC's to those 1 day events and lo and behold they're happy and Varsity makes more money because now more people attend. Bid events are over for our gym but, we still have parents willing to go to another travel comp for their child's team to get a bid, that's not Varsity, that's parents. No offense but, we are the foolish ones if we don't believe this money making industry ISN'T driven and directed by us. We say "we want", they listen, and they happily take our money. Gym owners are the ones, IMO, that have the tough job of determining "how much is too much" before the quantity of events consumes too much time and money (for them and their parents) and takes away from the quality of their program.

Summit was created do to customer demand. No doubt about that. However, it was also designed for the "Best of the Best" to attend. I know people will take this the wrong way, but it isn't intended to offend anyone.

All Star Cheer is demanding. The hours of practice.....blah, blah, blah. We all know what it entails. For a team to go on stage at a one day competition and HIT is great. They are probably a great team, because we all know that doesn't just happen. However, for a team to go onstage and HIT on day 2 (with all of the pressure of placements, bids chances, correcting judges suggestions, etc) puts them on a different level.

Yes, people voiced their desire for their kids to attend Summit and Varsity did something about it. If Varsity didn't see a way of making money (a lot of it) on WCs, it wouldn't have happened. Don't get the volume of your voice confused with the weight of the dollar.

I think it is important to use that "voice" in the direction of your Gym Owner. As a collaborative group, that voice may persuade growth, and attendance at more 2 day bid events.

In the end, The Summit will be a Cheersport for almost everyone to attend.

 

[CheerDad18]

That was her point. The person she was responding to said they opted not to go to summit because they wouldn't have enough competition there. She was pointing out that that's true all season, so the Summit having no competition for them shouldn't have been any different or a surprise.

@amy1k I do not know why I am the only person that can understand your posts.

That's not what she said, she said that they had aleady beat all the teams already at NCA and UCA and that" expense and competition dictated greatly on the decision not to go. Plus, when my daughter's team won both NCA and UCA, they had no desired or need to prove anything else...Matter of fact, they reduplicated those wins again, back to back NCA and UCA"

It was the $$$ and the fact they had already beat those teams numerous times at 2 large competitions. As much is it is the happiest place in the world I find it hard to justify the money for just 2 or 3 teams.

 

[CheerDad18]

Summit was created do to customer demand. No doubt about that. However, it was also designed for the "Best of the Best" to attend. I know people will take this the wrong way, but it isn't intended to offend anyone.

All Star Cheer is demanding. The hours of practice.....blah, blah, blah. We all know what it entails. For a team to go on stage at a one day competition and HIT is great. They are probably a great team, because we all know that doesn't just happen. However, for a team to go onstage and HIT on day 2 (with all of the pressure of placements, bids chances, correcting judges suggestions, etc) puts them on a different level.

Yes, people voiced their desire for their kids to attend Summit and Varsity did something about it. If Varsity didn't see a way of making money (a lot of it) on WCs, it wouldn't have happened. Don't get the volume of your voice confused with the weight of the dollar.

I think it is important to use that "voice" in the direction of your Gym Owner. As a collaborative group, that voice may persuade growth, and attendance at more 2 day bid events.

In the end, The Summit will be a Cheersport for almost everyone to attend.

Thats what I said, lol

 

[amy1k]

Nm

 

[Just-a-Mom]

That's not what she said, she said that they had aleady beat all the teams already at NCA and UCA and that" expense and competition dictated greatly on the decision not to go. Plus, when my daughter's team won both NCA and UCA, they had no desired or need to prove anything else...Matter of fact, they reduplicated those wins again, back to back NCA and UCA"

It was the $$$ and the fact they had already beat those teams numerous times at 2 large competitions. As much is it is the happiest place in the world I find it hard to justify the money for just 2 or 3 teams.

Really this is just semantics, but here goes... I'm sure you'll just argue anyway, because you seem determined to win an argument here.

But actually, this is the specific post and the reply. I didn't go back and find some other post that I'm sure you're referring to, but this one here is the one that was quoted and responded to.

@CheerDad18 and that is exactly one of the reason why my daughter's team did not go last year, the lack of teams competing and the cost too, especially at the end of a long season...

Do youth 5s often attend competitions that offer a deep pool of competitors? Why would the Summit be any different? I guess I don't understand the logic. I mean, it's FINE to choose not to attend, but the circumstances shouldn't be a surprise.

So yes, actually she did respond to a post that said they didn't go because of lack of competition. (which is what I said - "she was responding to a post")

Sweet Jesus... I was with you for a bit. But now I think you're just being argumentative for the sake of arguing.

 

[amy1k]

I think I mostly can't stop responding because there's just so much irony in this thread. I mean, the horror of teams thinking they deserve to go to the Summit when all they can earn is a lowly Wild Card bid, poor things. (Btw, NOBODY with a wild card bid is complaining about the price or alleged unfairness. Lol!) The awful uneven distribution of the j3 division...which, hey, that's gonna be a serious fight to win, right? Then the other side about how the poor Y5s never get to compete against ANYONE. And they can't earn bids bc it's just too hard. They wouldn't think of going to the Summit because of the low numbers of winners. But then they were handed to them, and now they can't go bc they already beat everyone anyway and $$$.

Anyway. Lol! Funny stuff.

 

[catlady]

Summit was created do to customer demand. No doubt about that. However, it was also designed for the "Best of the Best" to attend. I know people will take this the wrong way, but it isn't intended to offend anyone.

All Star Cheer is demanding. The hours of practice.....blah, blah, blah. We all know what it entails. For a team to go on stage at a one day competition and HIT is great. They are probably a great team, because we all know that doesn't just happen. However, for a team to go onstage and HIT on day 2 (with all of the pressure of placements, bids chances, correcting judges suggestions, etc) puts them on a different level.

Yes, people voiced their desire for their kids to attend Summit and Varsity did something about it. If Varsity didn't see a way of making money (a lot of it) on WCs, it wouldn't have happened. Don't get the volume of your voice confused with the weight of the dollar.

I think it is important to use that "voice" in the direction of your Gym Owner. As a collaborative group, that voice may persuade growth, and attendance at more 2 day bid events.

In the end, The Summit will be a Cheersport for almost everyone to attend.

I disagree, in corporate retail we call it the "diamond theory". Diamonds aren't really that rare, it's just a mineral they control production on to drive the price and desire. This bid feeding frenzy is upping the attendance at their comps (we have to attend more comps to get more chances for a bid), if Varsity provides too many bids, you then attend less comps, contradicting what they are trying to accomplish.

Small gym clientele has the same desires as the large gym. If Varsity forces small gyms to attend 2 day comps for the sole purpose of bids, they will drive many small gym owners out of business, and thus, less people to attend comps. "Coupon Sales" in retail used to be a once a 3 month occasion, and the sales generated off of those coupon days were off the charts. So, upper executives gradually added more coupon sales until they were almost every week. What happened? They drove the desire and urgency of the sale into the ground, people stopped shopping Monday through Thursday and their profits decreased tremendously. If Varsity increases the bids too much, they will lose the bid frenzy.

 

[amy1k]

Also the parents bragging about their kids' teams in here. Ugh. Distasteful. We heard ya'll, you're amazing.

I just remembered that I did it, too. But only to illustrate the teams can score really well and competitively and STILL struggle to earn a Summit bid, so they may choose to accept a wild card bid. Hahaha!

 

[CheerDad18]

Really this is just semantics, but here goes... I'm sure you'll just argue anyway, because you seem determined to win an argument here.

But actually, this is the specific post and the reply. I didn't go back and find some other post that I'm sure you're referring to, but this one here is the one that was quoted and responded to.





So yes, actually she did respond to a post that said they didn't go because of lack of competition. (which is what I said - "she was responding to a post")

Sweet Jesus... I was with you for a bit. But now I think you're just being argumentative for the sake of arguing.

That's what I hate about texting or forums unless you know the person, sometime things come across the with the wrong tone or I am looking in a different response than you are. I am not arguing for the sake of it, besides that you live in my neck of the woods and may run me over :). I think we are all saying the same thing. Varsity has not figured out a very equitable way to distribute bids to make sure the Summit is what is was advertised to be. The gym that I am at has always had about a 9 or 10 competitions per session. We used to do 2 or 3 two day comps four or five years ago and 7 single day comps. That has completely reversed itself and we now do 7 two day comps since the Summit.

If it is truly the Best of the Best, Varsity need to figure out how to do it and not turn it into another Cheersport or NCA. My issues are not with anyone here on the board, its with the EP. I do believe Allstar Cheer is a sport and it should act like a sport.

 

[SL&AM]

This whole thread just makes going to the Summit less appealing---CP's gym has a team in the race for cheer and dance, but it just seems like a mess.

 

[amy1k]

This whole thread just makes going to the Summit less appealing---CP's gym has a team in the race for cheer and dance, but it just seems like a mess.

My daughter's team attended the first year and we had a great time. We don't do another big travel comp and it's not a terribly expensive competition for us to attend (compared to other big travel comps), so I don't mind. We have friends who go to UCA annually, and that added to the Summit stresses me out. But, the CHANCE to go, if your team can manage to get a bid? Fun enough for me. Next season we are adding some travel. I'll appreciate the difficulty in earning a Summit bid next year, I'm sure. ;)

It's funny, our parents complain much more about a driving-distance competition in Canada. I don't really understand that issue, though.

 

[coach12]

Well my team did NOT get a bid this year and I'm pretty upset about it. We had 3 chances and they did not work out. Like I said earlier we decided in the beginning of the season to not accept wc bids. We definitely could have gotten them quite a few times too.
I'm still hoping against hope for a passed down bid.
Sorry this has nothing to do with anything. Just venting and feeling sorry for myself.
Anybody not wanting their bids--- send them my way. Lol