All-Star Tcu Not Allowed To Perform Baskets At Nca Nationals

[coachrah]

There are now 4 different forms of competitive cheerleading at the college level.

Cheerleading is sideline only. I can't imagine most if any schools to completely abandon having athletes on the sidelines leading the crowd.

Competitive Cheer is a team that goes to competions (I know, duh). Some teams at schools do this after their Sideline Cheerleading duties, some are formed primarily to compete. Either way even the most respected are only considered and activity at their school and can all fall to the same fate of UofA or TCU at anytime.

Yes NCATA is creating a new sport and thus creating opportunity at their member schools. They did something right if they figured out a format that is recognized by their athletic departments. They are the only organization to be successful at this.

STUNT created a format very similar to NCATA, but by trying to keep to their NCA/UCA style it falls short of academic department acceptance.

So now that we have all these choices at some point we need to find the best solution or compromise for the college community as a whole. It will probably involve making a choice: do you want to be a legitimate sport and be treated as such? If so that will come with many perks and protections, but it has to include some rules and regulations. One major choice will be that if you competitive cheer you will not be able to sideline cheer.

I think there are enough college bound allstars that are willing to make that choice if we provide it for them.

Choices are wonderful SharkDad. Thus far, 90% of the athletes receiving NCATA scholarships and a dedicated budget to both their academics and athletic health are from the allstar world. At the end of the day, the "we" who provides a choice is University Presidents and Athletic Administrators.

 

[HeatUniqueJ]

Yeah, I was told that someone got seriously injured at a game a couple of years back, so everyone from that year on wasn't allowed to do any baskets.

oh okay i had the impression they were only not allowed to do tosses this year , maybe i did not get that right,watching the vid

 

[SharkDad]

Choices are wonderful SharkDad. Thus far, 90% of the athletes receiving NCATA scholarships and a dedicated budget to both their academics and athletic health are from the allstar world. At the end of the day, the "we" who provides a choice is University Presidents and Athletic Administrators.

Very true, but the University Presidents and Athletic Adminstrators don't go out looking for those teams. It is up to the leaders in college cheerleading to seek out a solution that will work at most colleges. If there is cooperation and effort, this problem can be nearly solved or at least have a roadmap by next season. If not, this can go on for years with current cheer squads continuing to have fun. . .but find more examples that they are merely an activity at their school like the above mentioned programs.

 

[ztaprincess]

All Girl 3 and the intermediate divisions have a good bit of competition.

There is a need for a sport. The problem is the need we have is for 'allstar' or traditional style to be the sport, not NCATA or STUNT. But the requirements are for NCATA or STUNT style, not us. We have a very unique situation (which many like to point out) but its NOT SUSTAINABLE. You can't ignore what can and will happen. When an ostrich buries its head in the sand the world does not stop and forget to notice the ostrich. It is just more susceptible to getting eaten by the lion.

This is what I have been saying since NCATA and STUNT were formed. If they want to draw in the numbers to get cheer recoginized they need to give those all star athletes something of interest. The athletes that will be eventually filling these teams have been use to an all star routine jam packed with skill and excitement which is far from what these two formats are. If they want to pull in more cheerleaders they need to see what the treads are in the all star world to give them something to look forward to.

I also have questioned whether it really was necessary for those formats to be put into place after the trial. I may have just missed it in the mess that happened during and after the court trial, but was it in writing that they are going to require a format like these two have in order to be recognized?

 

[SharkDad]

This is what I have been saying since NCATA and STUNT were formed. If they want to draw in the numbers to get cheer recoginized they need to give those all star athletes something of interest. The athletes that will be eventually filling these teams have been use to an all star routine jam packed with skill and excitement which is far from what these two formats are. If they want to pull in more cheerleaders they need to see what the treads are in the all star world to give them something to look forward to.

I also have questioned whether it really was necessary for those formats to be put into place after the trial. I may have just missed it in the mess that happened during and after the court trial, but was it in writing that they are going to require a format like these two have in order to be recognized?

This is not about getting numbers of athletes to be recognized. It's about having the right elements to be recognized as a sport by the adminstrators who will acknowledge and pay for it. To answer your question, the creators of NCATA did a lot of effort to accomplish fulfill the items highlighted in the case. There was a lack of governing body, lack of a single set of rules for competitions, and lack of organized comeptitive season.

You have to satisfy the legal requirements to get accepted as a sport, not the athletes' desires. I think the goal should be to get recognized as a sport, then get all the schools involved so that there is lots of competition and the athletes will love it as much as allstar.

 

[SharkDad]

I want to add, I am not suggesting everyone jumps over to NCATA. I like a lot of what they have done and why they have done it. I am more in favor of ALL the coaches coming to agreement on a compromise that accomplishes a "win-win" situation for all involved:

A format that matches the legal definition of sport so that it can be recognized by school adminstrations and the NCAA

As many of the familiar elements that make allstar cheer so popular today. I think this is the major compromise somewhere between STUNT, NCATA, and the best of allstar. NCATA has the lead here because they have already created something this is currently a Varsity sport. They really don't have to change anything but in my mind the compromise is to get more schools involved faster.

 

[Deleted member 15]

This is what I have been saying since NCATA and STUNT were formed. If they want to draw in the numbers to get cheer recoginized they need to give those all star athletes something of interest. The athletes that will be eventually filling these teams have been use to an all star routine jam packed with skill and excitement which is far from what these two formats are. If they want to pull in more cheerleaders they need to see what the treads are in the all star world to give them something to look forward to.

I also have questioned whether it really was necessary for those formats to be put into place after the trial. I may have just missed it in the mess that happened during and after the court trial, but was it in writing that they are going to require a format like these two have in order to be recognized?

The format was necessary to get something that could be a head to head spectator sport. College administrators won't go for a 10 minute competition involving one team performing a 2.5 minute routine, time for the judges to score, another team performing a 2.5 minute routine, then announcement of the winner.

 

[coachrah]

I want to add, I am not suggesting everyone jumps over to NCATA. I like a lot of what they have done and why they have done it. I am more in favor of ALL the coaches coming to agreement on a compromise that accomplishes a "win-win" situation for all involved:

A format that matches the legal definition of sport so that it can be recognized by school adminstrations and the NCAA

As many of the familiar elements that make allstar cheer so popular today. I think this is the major compromise somewhere between STUNT, NCATA, and the best of allstar. NCATA has the lead here because they have already created something this is currently a Varsity sport. They really don't have to change anything but in my mind the compromise is to get more schools involved faster.

Well the best of allstar is the same 2.5 minute routine done at NCA College Nationals without the 45 second crowd response but as Andre notes this doesn't cut it. It is important to note that the STUNT original format for the team routine was 1 minute and 30 seconds but most teams refused to show interest this season which is what USA CHEER was frantic to garner for emerging sports status. I am not sure what your idea of a compromise is, so please educate on how to get schools involved faster.

 

[SharkDad]

USA CHEER put out a lot of effort to garner participation this year. To even attempt to file for emerging sport status with the NCAA they need to get more than 10 university athletic departments to actually agree to support. I heard many athletes enjoyed the format, but didn't hear of one university adminstration that supports it.

NCATA has a format already recognized by athletic departments and I think they are even at the point they can file for emerging sport status, if they haven't already. The athletes involved enjoy the sport status, but the cheer world isn't ready to accept it yet. A big detractor as well as there are no opportunities for males.

Compromise would take a large number of coaches that have competed STUNT, current NCA/UCA style, and NCATA to get together and discuss what they think are the important topics. In my mind this could happen by having them all meet a few times or it could happen with a concerted effort over a week/weeekend.

I'll offer to help make it happen if anyone really wants to.

 

[ztaprincess]

The USA cheer website has an article that states one of the criteria is that there must be 20 or more teams involved and I believe STUNT already has 19 or 20 teams. with NCATA having i think less then 10.

I think that what they are doing is great and kudos to them for doing it, I just think the format is going to scare many athletes away because it isn't what they are use to doing and the excitement isn't there like it is with NCA college nationals.

I do agree 100% though that to get it down to 1 governing body that everyone will like they all have to come together. if NCATA or STUNT one get emerging status before the other then you are still going to have a big divide because they aren't the same and disagree with the way each other is ran. They need to put their differences aside and come together to form 1 format that suits all styles.

 

[Future]

All Girl 3 and the intermediate divisions have a good bit of competition.

There is a need for a sport. The problem is the need we have is for 'allstar' or traditional style to be the sport, not NCATA or STUNT. But the requirements are for NCATA or STUNT style, not us. We have a very unique situation (which many like to point out) but its NOT SUSTAINABLE. You can't ignore what can and will happen. When an ostrich buries its head in the sand the world does not stop and forget to notice the ostrich. It is just more susceptible to getting eaten by the lion.

The ostrich burying its head is the 'largest cheer company in the world" and the total control they have. Not once in these passionate and truthful comments is there a solution, "bring the problem, but not without the solution". If college cheer seems to be dying, why bash two organizations that are trying SOMETHING!.

My question to Mr. Varsity would be, "If basket tosses are being removed from the collegiate ranks, what are YOU doing to either help prevent it or make it safer. The universities are not taking skills away just to take them away, there is a reason, and it is for safety (obviously). But then it is easier to bash than to create a SOUND body of experts (you all) to come up with the solution to this problem. Again, my question to Mr. Varsity is, "you want the control, you want the profit margin'....how about putting this aside and address this concern?". Maybe if AACCA and its organizers would put money into REAL scientific studies and not skew the ones already done by others, maybe the college administrators would listen. But then credibility would have to be in place first...... Yeah, this is pretty negative, but no one has suggested a solution...get a petition started to give to AACCA (Mr. Varsity) to approach the TCU administrators and try to address and solve the problem. Or we could just continue blogging...... well, Monday I will be writing a letter to AACCA.

 

[cheersafety]

USA CHEER put out a lot of effort to garner participation this year. To even attempt to file for emerging sport status with the NCAA they need to get more than 10 university athletic departments to actually agree to support. I heard many athletes enjoyed the format, but didn't hear of one university adminstration that supports it.

NCATA has a format already recognized by athletic departments and I think they are even at the point they can file for emerging sport status, if they haven't already. The athletes involved enjoy the sport status, but the cheer world isn't ready to accept it yet. A big detractor as well as there are no opportunities for males.

Compromise would take a large number of coaches that have competed STUNT, current NCA/UCA style, and NCATA to get together and discuss what they think are the important topics. In my mind this could happen by having them all meet a few times or it could happen with a concerted effort over a week/weeekend.

I'll offer to help make it happen if anyone really wants to.

If any one at the NCATA who has the authority to set up a meeting wanted to do has the phone number to Varsity.

 

[cheermomfootball]

well, Monday I will be writing a letter to AACCA.

You might as well write the letter to Varsity. Jim Lord is the Executive Director of AACCA, but he also serves on the board of USA Cheer whose President is the founder of Varsity. They are under the same roof, literally. I hope that wasn't confusing.

 

[GymCoach]

Nebraska is the same way. A few years ago a cheerleader fell off a pyramid and was paralyzed I think and the school hasnt let them stunt or tumble since

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[icequeen]

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