All-Star The Thing That Irritates Me The Most Is

[King]

Standing fulls and bounding twisting passes are still legal in high school and college. To paraphrase a colleague "I think the absolute worst tumbling coach in allstar is better than 95% of the high school coaches out there. A high school team is lucky to have a good coach. Most of the time they have wrestling mats in a cafeteria and are run by a science teacher. How can that be better than a gym with equipment who spend their livelihoods trying to learn how to teach tumbling better?"

 

[cheerinfo]

I was thinking the same thing last night. It's nuts. I makes NO SENSE AT ALL. Glad my kids have worked so hard to get skills they can no longer compete. EPIC FAIL. Boo.

 

[bestbackspot]

just saying, I know that there are a good portion of high school cheerleading teams that don't have good coaches, but not as many as some people think. Coming from allstars to high school this year, ( i did both last year) I went up against some teams that did have bad coaches, but most of the teams with bad coaches don't compete, and therefore the athletes don't really throw their skills anyway. Luckily in my area we have numerous strong high school cheerleading teams (upper darby, father judge, haverford, ridley (kelly yeagers team) and many more that go to high school nationals) I compete against these teams and most of the teams in my central league and my area don't have bad coaches. Your colleagues comment just came off kind of offensive to me being a high school cheerleader because I know there is an assumption that high school cheerleading coaches aren't as serious or as skilled, and I agree that some coaches aren't, but I did all stars for 9 years and I came across the same number of bad all star tumbling coaches as high school. I feel very bad for what happened to the sport of all star cheerleading today, but just because we don't have a worlds or half tops doesn't mean we don't have good coaches. Sorry for the long post but I just took offense to what your colleague said and wanted to clear it up that we do have good coaches, it depends on what school you go to and how serious your school takes cheerleading.

 

[King]

just saying, I know that there are a good portion of high school cheerleading teams that don't have good coaches, but not as many as some people think. Coming from allstars to high school this year, ( i did both last year) I went up against some teams that did have bad coaches, but most of the teams with bad coaches don't compete, and therefore the athletes don't really throw their skills anyway. Luckily in my area we have numerous strong high school cheerleading teams (upper darby, father judge, haverford, ridley (kelly yeagers team) and many more that go to high school nationals) I compete against these teams and most of the teams in my central league and my area don't have bad coaches. Your colleagues comment just came off kind of offensive to me being a high school cheerleader because I know there is an assumption that high school cheerleading coaches aren't as serious or as skilled, and I agree that some coaches aren't, but I did all stars for 9 years and I came across the same number of bad all star tumbling coaches as high school. I feel very bad for what happened to the sport of all star cheerleading today, but just because we don't have a worlds or half tops doesn't mean we don't have good coaches. Sorry for the long post but I just took offense to what your colleague said and wanted to clear it up that we do have good coaches, it depends on what school you go to and how serious your school takes cheerleading.

Notice he said 95%. You have to remember that the number of high schools in America is around 20,000. The number of gyms is around 2,000. There are not even 10,000 coaches good enough in allstar to quit allstar and go to the high schools and make this work. So you have to understand the numbers we are speaking of are FAR greater than you and everyone you know times 10.

 

[imrichhowboutu]

When was the last time you saw a bounding skill in High School? Maybe a whip full here and there? MAYBEEEEE.

High school coaches are happy with straight fulls for the most part. The majority of high school coaches know that one skill isn't going to push a routine over the top.


The issue in allstar is that many of the small gym coaches think they NEED these skills in order to win. I don't think any team has won because of standing fulls.

 

[Corsicab]

It is common practice in IL to have your hs team take tumbling classes at an allstar facility or gymnastics facility. The coaches here have no problem realizing they are not trained to teach tumbling. Some of them are trained in tumbling but still have the team go to a different facility for tumbling because most high schools don't have the proper equipment to teach proper progressions either. Now whether or not that allstar facility has properly trained coaches is another issue...

 

[cheererinIL]

Corsicab

This is totally true. When I cheered in HS, we had an allstar coach come in and do privates (granted it was on wrestling mats) and we had a coach who knew her stuff.

 

[tumbleyoda]

When was the last time you saw a bounding skill in High School? Maybe a whip full here and there? MAYBEEEEE.

High school coaches are happy with straight fulls for the most part. The majority of high school coaches know that one skill isn't going to push a routine over the top.


The issue in allstar is that many of the small gym coaches think they NEED these skills in order to win. I don't think any team has won because of standing fulls.

Just who are these coaches? What teams? What states? We keep on bringing them into the arguement as the reason why the industry has to make this immediate drastic change in tumbling without addressing immediatley the issues of proper progressions and training of coaches at all levels. Yet we won't identify them.

Are these the same small gym coaches that are complained about on the boards for not going to the major competitions because they know they will lose?

Are they the same small gym coaches that are constantly advised to go to competitions that they know they will get waxed at just so the better gyms can say they beat somebody - even if it wasn't really competitive at all?

Are they the same small gym coaches who complain about the bigger gyms recruiting their athletes so they can not build stronger teams?

Are they the same small gym coaches who stood before the USASF to explicitly request these changes? Did they say they could not compete with major gyms because they couldn't do the same bounding skills they could do? Or be competitive?

Are these the same small gym coaches who won't sell out to the bigger gyms or don't want to be a feeder program for the major gyms?

Are these the same small gym coaches who complain about crossovers from multiple locations, yet still claiming to be a small gym?

Are these the same small gym coaches who won't bring in the big name choreographer$ ad mu$ic people?

Yes I am being slightly sarcastic but I am also trying to make a point. All of these accusations are regularly made of the small gym coaches and programs each year and you wonder why many of them read and never post. We say that small gyms are the majority of the industry and yet we slam them every chance we get at the same time. Then we don't even give them the tools and training they need to be better. We can't even agree on what a small gym is these days. The official numbers put it at 75, yet a gym of 120 is small to the likes of Stingrays, CA, ACE, WC or CEA.

 

[garretttt]

When was the last time you saw a bounding skill in High School? Maybe a whip full here and there? MAYBEEEEE.

Come down to georgia! Maybe not whip fulls but ive seen quite a dew whip tucks.

 

[lakerfantlc]

Amen KING

 

[cheerKT]

I don't think some of you guys give high school enough credit....

 

[cheerKT]

But yes I do believe it's strange that these skills are still legal in high school.

 

[yojaehs]

The upper level high schools are the minority. Ok, I'm gonna sound absolutely CRAZY here probably because I was a powertumbler and trained as one for 10+ years, but whips should be used to GENERATE speed and power. Again, I know I'm in the minority but please take the time to watch some elite heck even basic power tumblers and you will see more that most twist out of whips and fulls than not. And these skills are TAUGHT on spring floors then transferred to the rod.

 

[12mowerd]

Standing fulls and bounding twisting passes are still legal in high school and college. To paraphrase a colleague "I think the absolute worst tumbling coach in allstar is better than 95% of the high school coaches out there. A high school team is lucky to have a good coach. Most of the time they have wrestling mats in a cafeteria and are run by a science teacher. How can that be better than a gym with equipment who spend their livelihoods trying to learn how to teach tumbling better?"

is it sad that my squad practices in the cafeteria with wrestling mats.. but our coach teaches english not science. lmao

 

[cheerheart4life]

is it sad that my squad practices in the cafeteria with wrestling mats.. but our coach teaches english not science. lmao

Oh dang! We practice in middle school gym, and then get kicked out in October and have to move the mats all the way to the elementary school gym.
SO annoying. Especially cause kids pick at the mats.....