All-Star The Thing That Irritates Me The Most Is

[cheergirl4444]

I will point out that the majority of high school people in here have some relation to allstar AND, in turn, their area probably uses allstar coaches as lay coaches for their high school.

Remember that represents only about 5% of the high schools out there. The rest are not so lucky.

Make high school top out at level 3. Suddenly high school is safer and you give people are reason to come to allstar. Bam, fixed the industry.

i am pretty sure this has come up before but what about those extremely talented girls with layouts and fulls who cant afford allstar? where do they go? i know 10 off the top of my head who's talents would be wasted if this happened.

 

[UEAcheerchick]

And you have the right to think that. However, that does not change the fact that some high school are more talented and DO in fact deserve the credit.

Exactly.like I said this is just from where I come from and my experience.of course not every high school is the same :-)

 

[AndrewSky]

I'm very fortunate in the fact that my high school coach is an Allstars coach. He cheered at California Allstars back in the day too.
He built the program up a lot. If we want a spot on Varsity....you best believe you're gonna need a standing tuck and standing one/two to tuck, bare minimum. That's also the reason Varsity is so small, and JV is so large.

 

[AScheer]

I will point out that the majority of high school people in here have some relation to allstar AND, in turn, their area probably uses allstar coaches as lay coaches for their high school.

Remember that represents only about 5% of the high schools out there. The rest are not so lucky.

Make high school top out at level 3. Suddenly high school is safer and you give people are reason to come to allstar. Bam, fixed the industry.

Then what happens to the 12 girls I have that can do standing tucks/layouts/fulls? Most of them cannot afford allstars, and the ones that can have parent's that cannot arrange to drive them 45 minutes to one of the two good gyms in our area. Why is there such a need to push people to allstars? I love allstars and ultimately if I were an athlete again and had to choose between them I would pick allstars, BUT not everyone is that way. A lot of people prefer school to allstars!

 

[Num1Stunta]

The thing you have to remember is that the ability to tell one is bad at something is directly related to how good you are at it.

The better and more skilled you are the more aware you are of how bad (or not bad) you are.

Not good coaches don't know they aren't good coaches. And do not know they should not be doing or teaching that stuff. So how do you fix THOSE coaches?

To throw in a wrinkle if you mandate certification you increase their knowledge, which is good, but you are asking for funds that do not exist AND certification is basically useless. We already said it takes months of tutelage to learn to properly teach the high level skills.

AMEN

 

[imrichhowboutu]

Come down to georgia! Maybe not whip fulls but ive seen quite a dew whip tucks.

Whip tucks are legal at level 4+ and in HS still. I don't think that is a major issue.

I would say more risk of injury comes when you add twisting skills.

 

[bestbackspot]

For those of you oooofffended by the thought that high school coaches are not all that great, how many of your high school coaches have the ability to teach a standing full?

mine can. she even does it at practice sometimes to show off:)

 

[socratesofcheer]

mine can. she even does it at practice sometimes to show off:)

she teaches a standing full at practice to show off?

 

[bestbackspot]

Honestly I think with this whole All Star vs HS cheer you would honestly just have to try both. Luckily my school does have a very qualified coach and last year I did both. Some people do underestimate the difficulty of HS cheer, but it was sometimes harder than my all star routine. Yelling words while stunting or tumbling can take a lot out of you, and people should give it more credit.

In the coaches recieving certifcation, I think that would be more up to the state that directs high school sports (in Pennsylvania it's PIAA). And if they don't step in I think it would be the athletic directors job to find a qualified coach, because they do find the coaches for every other sports team.

And with the numbers issue that HS cheer outnumbers All Star, you have to remember not every high school team competes, some simply do basketball and football and those HS teams are typically the ones with mats in the cafeteria.

 

[bestbackspot]

she teaches a standing full at practice to show off?

no, but she can do a standing full, and knows how to teach it. None of our girls are at the point to do a standing full yet on my team.

 

[socratesofcheer]

Again, the point of the Allstar vs High school is the tumbling. For this argument I could care less about stunts, baskets, etc.

The question is: Can high school coaches teach a standing full? I'm sure there are a few, and, we will hear from those few teams. However, the VAST majority of school coaches/sponsors can not. That is the point.

 

[cheerKT]

Are there any states that follow these NFHS rules that only allow athletes to participate in HS or allstar? With these new rule limitations plus the proposed idea of limiting them to level 3 skills, that would be an unfortunate decision to make.

I don't get the sudden push to allstar either. I agree with above, if I had to do it over I would dedicate myself more to allstars, but some people are happy with school cheer. My senior year I only did high school and was perfectly happy.

And after this past week it's more than apparent that allstar has issues of its own.

 

[SmileyRyleigh]

I think that the point some people are trying to make here is that in all star, coaches will push the athletes to get standing fulls and bounding passes because it increases the level of difficulty in the routine. However, in high school cheerleading, cleanliness outscores tumbling. I have seen high school teams that have level 2 skills beat a team with level 5 skills simply because they have a cleaner routine. In high school cheer they are looking for clean routines-skills are a bonus. You're a lot less likely to throw a standing full or a bounding pass in high school because it isn't going to increase your score, and if you can do it, then do it. But high school coaches are not going to put a girl out there that has thrown her standing full once, just to make the team look better and have more tumbling. I'm defiently not saying i agree with USASF rules, I'm just saying there are a lot of differences between the score sheets in high school and all star.

 

[AScheer]

Again, the point of the Allstar vs High school is the tumbling. For this argument I could care less about stunts, baskets, etc.

The question is: Can high school coaches teach a standing full? I'm sure there are a few, and, we will hear from those few teams. However, the VAST majority of school coaches/sponsors can not. That is the point.

Agree the point of this thread is tumbling. To address that question - NO - the VAST majority of school coaches cannot teach a standing full. You are correct, but the point is that they don't need to know that. They're not doing them! That would be like an english teacher not knowing how to teach her class algebra. She doesn't need to know how to teach them algebra because they aren't doing it. Does that make her a bad english teacher? Why make a rule stating that her kids aren't allowed to do math in her class, when they aren't already. If they do math on her english test they wouldn't get points for it so why would they? Random analogy but its all I could come up with!

 

[socratesofcheer]

Agree the point of this thread is tumbling. To address that question - NO - the VAST majority of school coaches cannot teach a standing full. You are correct, but the point is that they don't need to know that. They're not doing them! That would be like an english teacher not knowing how to teach her class algebra. She doesn't need to know how to teach them algebra because they aren't doing it. Does that make her a bad english teacher? Why make a rule stating that her kids aren't allowed to do math in her class, when they aren't already. If they do math on her english test they wouldn't get points for it so why would they? Random analogy but its all I could come up with!

Standing fulls ARE legal in high school and illegal in allstar. HS coaches do not have the knowledge/equipment to teach a standing full.

I don't believe your analogy fits this situation.