All-Star The Thing That Irritates Me The Most Is

[AScheer]

Standing fulls ARE legal in high school and illegal in allstar. HS coaches do not have the knowledge/equipment to teach a standing full.

I don't believe your analogy fits this situation.

My analogy wasn't great - I admit not my strong suit, but I still think it makes the point. I agree with you, the majority of HS coaches do not have the knowledge or equipment to teach a standing full, BUT they don't need it. THEY"RE NOT DOING IT. Go ask every HS coach that cannot teach one if any of their athletes are working on one or if they've tried to teach one. My guess is 100% will say no. Where is the risk then? No ones teaching them, no ones performing them. Why ban them? The high school score sheet isn't geared towards throwing standing fulls. On our scoresheet ALL tumbling is only worth 5pts total anyways. Why would a coach risk it with 1 or 2 standing fulls when full squad bhs will out score it?

 

[xtremeteal4life]

Standing fulls ARE legal in high school and illegal in allstar. HS coaches do not have the knowledge/equipment to teach a standing full.

I don't believe your analogy fits this situation.

Well considering one could cause a significant amount of bodily harm, I don't think it's a good analogy either.

 

[xtremeteal4life]

My analogy wasn't great - I admit not my strong suit, but I still think it makes the point. I agree with you, the majority of HS coaches do not have the knowledge or equipment to teach a standing full, BUT they don't need it. THEY"RE NOT DOING IT. Go ask every HS coach that cannot teach one if any of their athletes are working on one or if they've tried to teach one. My guess is 100% will say no. Where is the risk then? No ones teaching them, no ones performing them. Why ban them? The high school score sheet isn't geared towards throwing standing fulls. On our scoresheet ALL tumbling is only worth 5pts total anyways. Why would a coach risk it with 1 or 2 standing fulls when full squad bhs will out score it?

It only takes one time....one person

 

[socratesofcheer]

My analogy wasn't great - I admit not my strong suit, but I still think it makes the point. I agree with you, the majority of HS coaches do not have the knowledge or equipment to teach a standing full, BUT they don't need it. THEY"RE NOT DOING IT. Go ask every HS coach that cannot teach one if any of their athletes are working on one or if they've tried to teach one. My guess is 100% will say no. Where is the risk then? No ones teaching them, no ones performing them. Why ban them? The high school score sheet isn't geared towards throwing standing fulls. On our scoresheet ALL tumbling is only worth 5pts total anyways. Why would a coach risk it with 1 or 2 standing fulls when full squad bhs will out score it?

I'll try again. HS teams DO standing fulls. I've seen several teams compete them. Maybe in your region they are not so prevalent, but, in others they are.

Therefore, the OP's problem, standing fulls legal in HS where people DONT know how to teach them and illegal where people DO know how to teach them.

 

[SarahS]

I will point out that the majority of high school people in here have some relation to allstar AND, in turn, their area probably uses allstar coaches as lay coaches for their high school.

Remember that represents only about 5% of the high schools out there. The rest are not so lucky.

Make high school top out at level 3. Suddenly high school is safer and you give people are reason to come to allstar. Bam, fixed the industry.

In my area, that would be pushing kids to a less-safe environment. Sure, the local all star gym has a spring floor... but coaching? Not anywhere near the realm of safe. Not at all. Certainly not safer than the staff that I coach with at the high school.

 

[AScheer]

I'll try again. HS teams DO standing fulls. I've seen several teams compete them. Maybe in your region they are not so prevalent, but, in others they are.

Therefore, the OP's problem, standing fulls legal in HS where people DONT know how to teach them and illegal where people DO know how to teach them.

I have also seen several HS teams compete a standing full. Everyone of them have coaches that DO know how to teach them and their squads train at gyms. None of those teams are the ones with a random teacher coaching in a cafeteria on a wrestling mat. I find it hard to believe that there is a squad competing a skill that hard that doesn't have someone knowing how to teach it there. It's not just something a girl decides she wants to throw and figures it out. The ratio of fulls in HS compared to allstars has to be near the 1 to 20 or 30 range, maybe even higher on the AS side. The injury numbers on the HS side aren't there because standing fulls aren't that common of a skill. Typically when a HS girl throws it in competition it is a solid skill she has been working for a while. Not something she just landed once a practice that week.

I think if you want to create a discussion about standing fulls in HS vs AS thats fine, BUT you can't use that random teacher in the cafeteria as the base of the argument because it doesn't apply to them. It has to be realistic, and the real part is that almost every team (if not every team) that competes standing fulls has qualified coaches and trains in gyms. Really good chance that random teacher doesn't know what a standing full is and their team is probably working on chants and preps in that cafeteria. Maybe scary libs and bhs's too but thats pretty much it.