All-Star Too Many Boys On The Floor

[MomNBlue&Green]

When did they throw level 2 tumbling? I saw fulls, jumps to back, etc.

They had a few guys who could throw a few fulls, the girls had nothing but back handsprings and maybe 1/2 the team (if that, I did not count) did jumps to back. So maybe level 2 tumbling wasn't the correct way to word it.

The scoresheet says in order to get the max 4-5pts:
Standing Tumbling: L5 standing tumbling skills. Multiple skills and variety performed in routine. Most to all of performers attempting skill compared to number on the floor.

Running Tumbling: L5 running tumbling skills. Multiple skills and variety performed in routine. Most to all of performers attempting skill compared to number on the floor.

How did they not score poorly on this section of the scoresheet? Everyone is on here blasting Cali for their synchronized tumbling so why does Bangkok get a pass on tumbling entirely? I'm just curious as to why the US teams are expected to perform at a higher level? They don't do that in gymnastics or any other sport.

Edited to add: I'm not taking away from their amazing pyramids. However, amazing pyramids does not mean you hit the ENTIRE scoresheet.

 

[NJ Coach]

And I still don't see how their tumbling score wasn't low enough to affect their total score. Tumbling is 10% of their score and they were throwing Level 2 tumbling, how did that not lower their score a bit? I mean tumbling alone KILLED Cali's chances in SS. Why do we expect so much more out of the US teams? Shouldn't everyone be judged equally just as they are in other sports? Just sayin...

They had legitimate level 5 tumbling this year. I saw fulls (more than 1 person) being thrown, even had a synchro pass. Granted, they didn't have the numbers that GT had, but it definitely was correct level tumbling.

 

[kisscheer18]

Here is a video for anyone who wanted it. I don't know if this was prelims or finals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1zDjArPaEE&feature=feedlik

finals

 

[kisscheer18]

finals

ehhh nevermind im wrong.

 

[King]

Here is a video for anyone who wanted it. I don't know if this was prelims or finals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1zDjArPaEE&feature=feedlik

15 boys

 

[cheer8]

The Olympics goes back and takes away medals.

amen

 

[MomNBlue&Green]

They had legitimate level 5 tumbling this year. I saw fulls (more than 1 person) being thrown, even had a synchro pass. Granted, they didn't have the numbers that GT had, but it definitely was correct level tumbling.

But was the tumbling coming from enough members of the team to fall into the 4-5pts range? The scoresheet states: "Most to all of performers attempting skill compared to number on the floor."

 

[cheerKT]

I counted 14 boys. Obviously, that's still more than 12, but I'm just saying.

 

[bburke1]

It's USASFs job to enforce the rules. Cheer parents if it was your CPs team and they made illegal mistakes in their routine (lets assume unknowingly, because I like this team), then were crowned champions, then were stripped of their title...I have a feeling you would be fuming...at USASF for wronging your princess.

To me this isn't a right or wrong issue...it's obviously wrong if rules were broken. But what's even more wrong is that it wasn't caught and enforced by those responsible for enforcing the rules. Don't get mad at the team, get mad at the people in charge who, as it has been pointed out, had multiple opportunities to point out this mistake to them AT Worlds...not after.

As for the explanation USASF being "caught off guard" so to speak and not expecting an international team to be able to win/tie a US team and as far as them being to scared to enforce the rules to an international team....I don't necessarily agree with this theory but if it's the case... shame on them again. For real. I got mad even reading that. It's called WORLDS for a reason. How arrogant to be so surprised and frenzied when a team from another country can simply match one of "ours" to the point where you don't even know what to do.

You can blame them for signing papers without thoroughly reading them (umm hope you've also gotten mad at Congress throughout the years....) but ultimately your finger should be pointing at USASF. I couldn't be happier for this team and I don't think it's right for us to try to take this away from them for a mistake made by USASF of not being proactive and enforcing the rules at the appropriate time.

 

[Ashley]

ehhh nevermind im wrong.

I think you're right. I was sitting with a bunch of my teammates in that first row on the right side of the mat during prelims (but left before finals), and I don't see any of us.

 

[ErinS]

I counted 14 boys. Obviously, that's still more than 12, but I'm just saying.

There is 15. During stunting one group has three guys, the other 6 have 2 guys, 7 girls in the air and 1 girl chillin' and since that totals 23 I'm probably missing someone (a girl)

...nevermind. found her as well. Shes hanging with the group that has 3 guys...hey girl hey.

 

[kisscheer18]

oh okay. i just remember they had that big banner in one of their performances.

 

[socratesofcheer]

i dont think bangkok purposefully broke the rules. im sure there was some sort of miscommunication somewhere. i say, give em break and lets all play fair next year, bc whats done in 2011 is done.

Because they are from Thailand there was some sort of miscommunication? I guess it must be the same type of miscommunication that the Chinese women's gymnastics had at the last olympics with regard to their age. Maybe the Asian countries count a little differently than everyone else.

 

[travnation80]

@kingston and @GDaddyLS are both 100 percent correct on this issue. I was competing and when we got back stage in the hall way a girl made us stand in line and count each team member and alternates and coaches had to stand on the other side of the wall and not get in the count. Their pyramids were awesome, but you only can max out at 70 points (as per the scoresheet) for pyramids (so im wondering where the 280 they scored came from). Tumbling yes you did see "some" fulls and there were some round off back handsprings as well. Jumps to back did anyone miss the guy spotting another teammate in this section in the routine? watch the video. They know English trust me I had complete conversations with some of them. Rules are clearly Rules and If it were an american team in any division international or large or small senior or coed every would be up in arms and call them out on facebook, twitter and here. I'm all about a Cinderella story but when it is truly earned and warranted. There were a lot of "I don't get it" scores this weekend from the judges and I'm not so sure that everyone was following the score sheet. Their stunts had 3 people under some of them. I love love love their pyramids but a routine is bigger than just that section and if you max out then where else can you get points from if your not up to par in other sections? The USASF had to have counted them before they walked out on the floor in international nations cup (semi's for international teams) and Finals so I have to believe that they knew. I know they gave them a deduction for it that's why they tied with GT, which should have never happened in the first place but Deductions at Worlds mean nothing when you score a 280 and u have a 1 deduction is that really going to matter much look at the scores of people who won or got top 3 in any division that had deductions. NCA All Star Nationals you had better believe that Deductions place a huge roll in winning and losing or placings period. The Cheerleading Worlds Scoresheets need to be more balanced in every division focusing on the entire routine and the over all cheerleader and that would truly help true international teams. But yeah they need to do something because it's only going to get worse.

 

[cheermommaRN]

Of course we have no idea what is going on behind the scenes with all of this until an official word is given by USASF/IASF. For all we know they knew that these teams had 14 guys going into ICU and allowed them to keep their numbers so they wouldn't have to create a new routine with extra girls to fill in the spots the boys left with the intent to change it next year (especially if Bangkok didn't bring the extra 2 or 3 girls). It doesn't make sense to allow teams to get a bid with one set of rules and then have them sign a waiver stating that they have to drop 2 or more members for ONE competition.
There has been a push for an International team to win gold for a long time, they even changed the rules to make it easier for them to compete against us. Do I think it's right? No. But I also don't think that the USASF had no idea that these teams had extra guys, they just chose to overlook it for the image of Worlds.