All-Star Usasf Rules Gurus - Please Read

[nlow]

I was told to contact the person in charge of the releases, which is what I did. I read through this document and as someone else mentioned there is nothing in here for parents to register a complaint. The athletes are the members, not the parents. Do we need to have our 13 and 14 yr old daughters file this complaint to let the USASF know that the owner of their gym thought it prudent to tell them that she needed to fire their coach because....well he was having an affair with a parent....but she didn't say parent, she actually named one of their team mates mother! What do we do when our daughters tell us something so horrendous...do we say, its ok honey, its a lie, but guess what.... we found out after November 1st so...well we are just stuck for this year if you want to go to Worlds? In what reality is something like that EVER OK? And for those of us that decided that and a host of other things was not ok, our children get punished by not being able to be on a worlds team because this person still gets to make the decision that she can basically hold our children hostage.

And what exactly are the penalties, what does a suspension of membership actually accomplish? Are the parents of that gym notified that their gym owner is unethical and has had her membership suspended? A financial penalty for this particular woman would mean nothing as she doesnt pay her bills now.

tacky very very tacky. i have an idea, just go to whatever gym you want and don't worry about a release. at the rate that gym is going it will be closed by worlds so who can contest the fact that a release wasn't done.:chestbump:

 

[debbie]

I would really encourage parents to demand that their gym become a USASF Certified Gym. Those requirements are in the system. There just needs to be a demand from parents to get gyms to do it.

http://usasf.net/programs/gymcertification/

How does it help parents if the gym is usasf certified? I don't know I'm really asking?

 

[SkyBlue]

I don't understand shared with children. They are sharing their personal escapades or the kids are aware they are having an affair. Big difference.

First there is no affair, lets make that clear. This is a LIE that the owner of this gym made up and told to children in order to justify the reason their coach was no longer at their gym. The owner of the gym made up a lie to children that there was an affair happening between the kids coach and a team mates mom. Sorry Kingston, I don't know you, but apparently you do not have children!

 

[nlow]

I don't understand shared with children. They are sharing their personal escapades or the kids are aware they are having an affair. Big difference.

i think she meant "well good children i fired your qualified coach because he was sleeping with (points an accusatory finger at) suzies momma, so there suck it up and tell yo momma to write me another check". :p

 

[King]

First there is no affair, lets make that clear. This is a LIE that the owner of this gym made up and told to children in order to justify the reason their coach was no longer at their gym. The owner of the gym made up a lie to children that there was an affair happening between the kids coach and a team mates mom. Sorry Kingston, I don't know you, but apparently you do not have children!

Ill ignore the last part of your statement.

Are we having an emotional discussion or we talking legal ramifications? Besides being morally opposed I don't see what grounds you could win an appeal if there was even a process. You are not a fan of the morals of the coach/owner. You would like to leave the gym because of the morals of the coach/owner. As long as that owner did not do anything illegal except possibly spread hearsay I don't see where you have a case.

Now, are you asking me if I would stay personally? No. But I am also willing to walk away from a situation when needed.

 

[debbie]

Ill ignore the last part of your statement.

Are we having an emotional discussion or we talking legal ramifications? Besides being morally opposed I don't see what grounds you could win an appeal if there was even a process. You are not a fan of the morals of the coach/owner. You would like to leave the gym because of the morals of the coach/owner. As long as that owner did not do anything illegal except possibly spread hearsay I don't see where you have a case.

Now, are you asking me if I would stay personally? No. But I am also willing to walk away from a situation when needed.

If the USASF ever gets an appeals process you should not be part of it.

 

[King]

i think she meant "well good children i fired your qualified coach because he was sleeping with (points an accusatory finger at) suzies momma, so there suck it up and tell yo momma to write me another check". :p

Again, while morally not on the up and up what is illegal about it? Do I think its a poor business decision? Yes. If that happened exactly as said would I personally stay? No. Even if that meant my daughter did not get to compete at Worlds? Yes I would still leave if I felt I did not respect the owner. Would I blame the rules of the system for my situation? No you have to understand every things place. Have I been in that type of situation before? Yes. Quite a few times.

 

[King]

If the USASF ever gets an appeals process you should not be part of it.

I would have no desire to be a part of it. Neither would any other gym owner or EP.

 

[east2westandbackagain]

Just to chime in, Famous Mom, while I feel for your daughter and the fact that she , along with her teammates may not be able to compete at worlds: I would never keep my daughter or family in a negative situation by choice. In the end it is just cheerleading and maybe all of you guys need to step back and look at the big picture. So they take a year on a Senior Restricted 5 team or Junior 5 as she is young enough and she works on skills. Of course it might not be ideal, but I would hope that one year of worlds would not define her as an athlete. In life no one always gets their way and maybe this is one of those times, does it suck, to you and to her and anyone else its happening to , yes it does. Can I ask how long you will wait to hear back from the owner or the USASF? Does your daughter only want to cheer on a worlds level 5 team? The reason I am asking is why not just pull the bandaid off fast so she can get back in a positive enviroment and work skills? Ok , that is all, by the way, I applaud your commitment to the situation. I am just not sure if I could deal with all the unknowns this far into the season. More power to ya and goodluck!

 

[SkyBlue]

Again, while morally not on the up and up what is illegal about it? Do I think its a poor business decision? Yes. If that happened exactly as said would I personally stay? No. Even if that meant my daughter did not get to compete at Worlds? Yes I would still leave if I felt I did not respect the owner. Would I blame the rules of the system for my situation? No you have to understand every things place. Have I been in that type of situation before? Yes. Quite a few times.

I never said it was illegal, is it morally reprehensible YES, but again, I get where you are going to defend a system clearly in favor of gym owners no matter how unethical they may be. I guess there is only any challenge if it is clearly illegal and only then if us lowly parents are granted some type of appeal. If the system is broken you either need it fix it immediately or get rid of it until it can be fixed.

I guess what we should teach our children is that they should hold themselves to higher standards, morals and ethics, but if an adult in a position of power can act however they want and while I chose for you not be around and for me not to give my hard earned money to such a person, YOU innocent child gets punished for it. Just to be clear, this has nothing to do with respect for the owner, this has to do with what kind of environment you want your child in, I guess it just sucks for us that she started making these wild accusations after these innocent kids competed??

Sorry I am not willing to accept cookie cutter answers anymore...and the old sorry guess your kid just sits out, this problem needs to be fixed now!

 

[east2westandbackagain]

One last thing, Famous Mom, what would be your ideal solution for your daughter, is the release that only thing that you want?

 

[King]

I never said it was illegal, is it morally reprehensible YES, but again, I get where you are going to defend a system clearly in favor of gym owners no matter how unethical they may be. I guess there is only any challenge if it is clearly illegal and only then if us lowly parents are granted some type of appeal. If the system is broken you either need it fix it immediately or get rid of it until it can be fixed.

I guess what we should teach our children is that they should hold themselves to higher standards, morals and ethics, but if an adult in a position of power can act however they want and while I chose for you not be around and for me not to give my hard earned money to such a person, YOU innocent child gets punished for it. Just to be clear, this has nothing to do with respect for the owner, this has to do with what kind of environment you want your child in, I guess it just sucks for us that she started making these wild accusations after these innocent kids competed??

Sorry I am not willing to accept cookie cutter answers anymore...and the old sorry guess your kid just sits out, this problem needs to be fixed now!

Just so I understand you are currently staying at a gym you completely disagree with only because legally at the moment that's the only Worlds team legally she can be on?

 

[SkyBlue]

Just to chime in, Famous Mom, while I feel for your daughter and the fact that she , along with her teammates may not be able to compete at worlds: I would never keep my daughter or family in a negative situation by choice. In the end it is just cheerleading and maybe all of you guys need to step back and look at the big picture. So they take a year on a Senior Restricted 5 team or Junior 5 as she is young enough and she works on skills. Of course it might not be ideal, but I would hope that one year of worlds would not define her as an athlete. In life no one always gets their way and maybe this is one of those times, does it suck, to you and to her and anyone else its happening to , yes it does. Can I ask how long you will wait to hear back from the owner or the USASF? Does your daughter only want to cheer on a worlds level 5 team? The reason I am asking is why not just pull the bandaid off fast so she can get back in a positive enviroment and work skills? Ok , that is all, by the way, I applaud your commitment to the situation. I am just not sure if I could deal with all the unknowns this far into the season. More power to ya and goodluck!

Thanks for your input, it is appreciated. My daughter and the other kids are already in a positive environment and on a jr 5 squad. However, she was also on a Sr 5 squad and was excited for the chance to get a shot at worlds. This isn't about always getting my way, this is about whats right, period! Why on earth should I accept that a seriously unethical person gets the right to take my along with her friends chances away to compete at worlds? Whether or not she or the other kids attend worlds this year would define them as athletes....again this is about whats right! This is about a seriously broken system that in no way works in favor of protecting athletes.

You can't on one hand put rules and committees, and all of these other things in place and then when someone challenges or complains are asks how things are being enforced, the response is there aren't resources for it. What exactly then is the point of any of it?

 

[east2westandbackagain]

Don't get me wrong, I don't feel like your situation is fair from what you have stated. I do feel though that there has to be a way for your side of the story to be heard and for you to be able to get a straight answer to why nothing is being done. Do you feel like you guys have found a good home in the new gym or was it more of a quick fix to salvage the season and see what happens next year kinda thing? Is the owner that won't release you a known cheer coach or a parent that opened a gym? I think that needs to be addressed as well to the USASF too.

 

[SkyBlue]

Just so I understand you are currently staying at a gym you completely disagree with only because legally at the moment that's the only Worlds team legally she can be on?

NO I left as well as most of the other kids from that team, I'm pretty sure I mentioned that a couple of pages left. What we are all looking for is our releases.

@east2west, yes I want the release for my daughter and the other kids that left this gym as well. This isn't just about me, its about all of these kids. I also want this broken release system fixed, and if it can't be then it needs to go away.