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ha i have heard of gyms that have done that foor years. Im glad that NCA/varsity finally put a stop to it. GOOD FOR THEM, but SUCKS for those that were being shady
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I agree this is the way the industry is going right now, but is this the way the industry SHOULD be going?
Is this the direction we want to take with the all star cheer industry?
If we set score sheets up to score and truly be scored by majority- it would give a lot more room for creative skills sets, majority specialty stunts and passes... We're killing our kids and our gyms by requiring every single kid to have a layout to be on level 4. What about the talented bases and backspot who can put up a level 5 stunt but can't throw a full?
Just food for thought- but if we truly base scoresheets off majority (instead of squad skills) wouldn't we be leaving room for creativity and GROWTH IN THE INDUSTRY instead of routines that are just sections of squad skills pieced together?
It's not perfect and it wouldn't be an easy process to implement but it definitely would help prevent teams who purposely drop (as a whole team) to a lower level to win. It wouldn't help a gym adding kids onto lower level teams before nationals- but that's a very difficult thing to regulate.
And Of course this will only work if 1) Every event is a registered member of the USASF so they can pass on their records to the USASF and 2) We have enough manpower and staff to record the registrations and levels
The NCA Sandbag policy is a GREAT start to help prevent this problem- however we all know that there are numerous competitions the month of February prior to NCA Nationals. A team can enter a competition in their "dropped" level the week before NCA and therefore compete in the lower level prior to NCA. This, making the rule work in their favor.
We need a level declaration system to stop sandbagging.
At the first event your gym goes to- the level they register teams in is that teams level for the season. They become an active team on the date of the first competition. (This prevents date issues for registration for gyms who compete early/ late)
That is your team's level for the season- and it is recorded by the event producer and by the USASF.
In order to switch your level, you must fill out a level declaration form. USASF must approve this form for vaild reasons... It would be easier and encourage to move UP a level- however it would be a much more tedious process to move down a level.
Realistically- when you register your team for their first competition, you should know what level your team should be in for the season. If you don't, you shouldn't be coaching.
It's not perfect and it wouldn't be an easy process to implement but it definitely would help prevent teams who purposely drop (as a whole team) to a lower level to win. It wouldn't help a gym adding kids onto lower level teams before nationals- but that's a very difficult thing to regulate.
And Of course this will only work if 1) Every event is a registered member of the USASF so they can pass on their records to the USASF and 2) We have enough manpower and staff to record the registrations and levels
If you start making people declare a level for an entire season you will fight what you asked for in your first post... leaving room for growth. Regulating teams to stay a level will force everyone to pick their teams even stricter speeding up the process of squad perfect skills for a season.
I still say if someone picked a team with all type 3 kids at the beginning of the season why would it matter if that team from level 5 or level 4 dropped down to compete in your level?
If you start making people declare a level for an entire season you will fight what you asked for in your first post... leaving room for growth. Regulating teams to stay a level will force everyone to pick their teams even stricter speeding up the process of squad perfect skills for a season.
I still say if someone picked a team with all type 3 kids at the beginning of the season why would it matter if that team from level 5 or level 4 dropped down to compete in your level?
If you start making people declare a level for an entire season you will fight what you asked for in your first post... leaving room for growth. Regulating teams to stay a level will force everyone to pick their teams even stricter speeding up the process of squad perfect skills for a season.
I still say if someone picked a team with all type 3 kids at the beginning of the season why would it matter if that team from level 5 or level 4 dropped down to compete in your level?
I take it you have never coached a L2 team that was beaten by a team with multiple kids throwing fulls or doubles in other routines that day.Am I the only one not even remotely bothered by this?
I take it you have never coached a L2 team that was beaten by a team with multiple kids throwing fulls or doubles in other routines that day.
I still say if someone picked a team with all type 3 kids at the beginning of the season why would it matter if that team from level 5 or level 4 dropped down to compete in your level?
Kind of like - why would it matter if an international elite gymnast competed level 7 at a local meet? She would "only be doing L7 skills", so you shouldn't be able to tell any difference? Suzy Gymnast would be on an even playing field with Nastia Liukin?