What level rules need to be fixed or clarified?

[cheerislove8]

Oh okay I get it king.

I agree with indiglow as well though.


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[King]

Not saying there are not counter arguments, but how do you get kids who will never be higher than a 2 or 3 cheerleader to stay in cheer for 10 years? The idea is that there is always something more. You can't top out at 12, even at level 3. Now telling a girl she can't do a skill on a jr team while her friend can on a senior team... personally i think you'll have more pushback about not being on the same team with her friend more than anything else.

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[ACEDAD]

Not saying there are not counter arguments, but how do you get kids who will never be higher than a 2 or 3 cheerleader to stay in cheer for 10 years? The idea is that there is always something more. You can't top out at 12, even at level 3. Now telling a girl she can't do a skill on a jr team while her friend can on a senior team... personally i think you'll have more pushback about not being on the same team with her friend more than anything else.

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What new skills do kids use playing basketball, football or baseball as they continue for 10 years?

 

[King]

Iwould say that sport is quite a different animal. Those sports require skills to be used against opponents that change all the time. Cheer is an execution sport. That ground up lib has been the same since you were on a youth 3 team.

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[Mclovin]

I do not agree that tumbling skills should change from youth, junior, senior but I would be willing to agree to modifying stunting rules for youth age athletes at levels 4 and 5. I have seen some seriously scary stunts, pyramids, and baskets from youth teams. But I've never seen youth age kids throw tumbling any scarier than their older counterparts. How many senior teams out there still have kids throwing incomplete double fulls or really low fulls? TONS! So don't put limitations on the younger kids just because they are young. But I do believe it could be proven that youth age kids are not as experienced/strong in the stunting aspect of cheer as older kids.

 

[ACEDAD]

Iwould say that sport is quite a different animal. Those sports require skills to be used against opponents that change all the time. Cheer is an execution sport. That ground up lib has been the same since you were on a youth 3 team.

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I just don't think the level rules need to be different for the different ages.

 

[onetrupairing]

world cup has a sr open 5 team
they also have 3 competitive regular sr level 5 teams and a jr 5 team
there are many girls that have some level 5 skills that arent all around level 5 cheerleaders yet
it is the perfect stepping stone to train a world champion
you cant go from being on level 4 to being on a world champion team

I understand what your saying. But that's not what the level is for. Using it as a stepping stone at a gym with multiple 5 teams defeats the whole purpose of the level!
Look at it this way:

How is this:

Supposed to compete with this:

90% of that team has the tumbling and stunting skills that the smaller, less well known teams would put on a level 5 team. If you try'ed out at a gym with one lvl 4 team and one lvl 5 team they would all get put on 5. The problem is gyms like tg, ca, bullets, wc, and stingrays are so far ahead of the crowd that anymore.....gyms just can't catch up. That's what so5 is for.

 

[onetrupairing]

Not related to level 4, but I don't think I've seen this at all.

I would think it would be incredibly difficult to do a kick after hitting the pretty girl at the top.

Sounds like a hitch kick full to me? A pretty girl is a straight ride with one knee up... also known as a hitch

 

[onetrupairing]

I don't beleive the intent was to give transitional "gyms" an opportunity, it was to give transitional "athletes" an opportunity. If a gym has teams in most or all of the regular senior 5 divisions, I don't really think you can claim they are sandbagging. There are transitional athletes in all gyms.

http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=29635&p=3&topicID=27021319

This popped up right as the so5 division started. Read through the front page if nothing else...

 

[ACEDAD]

Sounds like a hitch kick full to me? A pretty girl is a straight ride with one knee up... also known as a hitch

But with a pretty girl, the knee is up at the top. In a hitch kick full, the hitch is hit much earlier, because the kick is at the top.

 

[ACEDAD]

http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=29635&p=3&topicID=27021319

This popped up right as the so5 division started. Read through the front page if nothing else...

I remember reading that when it came out. Doesn't change my opinion. What do you think I'm missing?

 

[Mclovin]

I understand what your saying. But that's not what the level is for. Using it as a stepping stone at a gym with multiple 5 teams defeats the whole purpose of the level!
Look at it this way:

How is this:

Supposed to compete with this:

90% of that team has the tumbling and stunting skills that the smaller, less well known teams would put on a level 5 team. If you try'ed out at a gym with one lvl 4 team and one lvl 5 team they would all get put on 5. The problem is gyms like tg, ca, bullets, wc, and stingrays are so far ahead of the crowd that anymore.....gyms just can't catch up. That's what so5 is for.

I get what you're saying, but just because gyms like TG, Rays, WC, CA, etc. have multiple level 5 teams doesn't mean ALL of their level 5 talent can be put on one of those teams. Because T&S is a much smaller gym, pretty much any level 5 senior age athlete goes on our one and only Sr. 5 team. But I would imagine that at these larger gyms they have to put their "lesser talented" level 5 kids on a sr. open 5 because there is so much more competition to make those coveted spots on their worlds teams. Does that make sense?? That's the way I see it anyway.

 

[cheerleaderforlife]

junior/senior 2 should be able to be upside down in a stunt

 

[cheerleaderforlife]

leval 2 should be aloud to do a toe touch back handspring

 

[ACEDAD]

junior/senior 2 should be able to be upside down in a stunt

Why?