All-Star 2015 Worlds Packet

[FlexyTumblerMom]

Yes. I know of several in the South of Germany that did or still do (Austria-Germany and Switzerland-Germany), and it wouldn't be uncommon for other countries/borders. Crossing country-borders in Europe is similar to crossing state-borders in the US. And now think of how many kids you know crossing state borders for cheer.

Wow - yeah, then this is a big issue even if it is just teams in the international divisions - is that the division that most European world's teams compete in? I seem to recall someone posting that the vast majority of bids in non-US countries are "international" - like IOC5, 6, etc.

 

[Aussiekat]

The usasf needs to define legal residency. To me, a resident has the legal right to reside and work in the US- extremely difficult to get on the ground of participating in allstar cheer.

We aren't exactly a hotbed of illegal workers and immigration. I didn't work when I went to CA on a visa waiver. My friend worked a limited amount when he went to Rays on a tourist visa. Neither of these would constitute legal residency from my personal understanding of the phrase. Surely this kind of thing is the responsibility of the athlete and nothing to do with the usasf or the gym. It doesn't affect them and it isn't their issue if an athlete is dumb enough to not sort out their papers so they aren't restricted from entering the US in the future.

It seems like a daft, poorly thought out, pointless rule when there are so many other pressing issues.


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[BlueCat]

The usasf needs to define legal residency. To me, a resident has the legal right to reside and work in the US- extremely difficult to get on the ground of participating in allstar cheer.

It seems like a daft, poorly thought out, pointless rule when there are so many other pressing issues.

The USASF needs to find ways to grow the sport and/or make the jobs of EPs, gym owners, and athletes EASIER. They don't need to spend time sorting out the details of immigration/naturalization issues for every country on the planet.

Seriously, though . . . how and when was this rule put into place? Was this announced somewhere earlier and we missed it? Are we now supposed to scour the Worlds packet every year now to see what rules got added?

 

[Ashley]

The USASF needs to find ways to grow the sport and/or make the jobs of EPs, gym owners, and athletes EASIER. They don't need to spend time sorting out the details of immigration/naturalization issues for every country on the planet.

Seriously, though . . . how and when was this rule put into place? Was this announced somewhere earlier and we missed it? Are we now supposed to scour the Worlds packet every year now to see what rules got added?

Apparently it was discussed at the advisory board meeting in August. It's 3 sentences in the meeting notes on the USASF website. If you can even find it on their website.

 

[BlueCat]

From WAB meeting notes:

INTERNATIONAL ATHLETES

Steve explained that the ICU requires that athletes must be a legal resident or legal student resident of the country with which they are competing and the committee discussed that teams that compete at ICU represent countries and teams that compete at Worlds represent programs. This will be included in the Worlds Registration Packet as a requirement for athletes competing at the 2015 Worlds.

This makes sense for a country vs country competition like ICU. You should be a member of the country you are representing. It makes no sense for a gym vs gym competition.

 

[kristenthegreat]

From WAB meeting notes:



This makes sense for a country vs country competition like ICU. You should be a member of the country you are representing. It makes no sense for a gym vs gym competition.

Especially because RIGHT THERE in that statement it mentions that Worlds is program vs program, and to directly contradict that statement with this new rule is a bit out of place, is it not?

This just ISN'T the USASFs responsibility period. And should NOT be their responsibility.

 

[SL&AM]

Wow - yeah, then this is a big issue even if it is just teams in the international divisions - is that the division that most European world's teams compete in? I seem to recall someone posting that the vast majority of bids in non-US countries are "international" - like IOC5, 6, etc.

Yup, it's really that easy. If you imagine what it looks like to go from the US to Mexico or Canada...it's nothing like that. Funny story, when DH and I first got to Germany we decided to be smart and rent a car but not rent a GPS. By smart, I mean dumb as hell. While we should have been driving towards Kaiserlautern to go to a furniture store, about an hour into the drive we see the 'Welcome to France sign" casually on the side of the road...um??? Yeah, DH stopped taking directions from me after that, but seriously...one time I ended up in Austria on total accident because of my mom who was in visiting. There are no huge stops where you have to show papers and stuff like that. If I wanted to make really good Italian food, I'd make the hour drive to the French Bakeries for Banquettes because they were the best... and it was the most natural thing in the world.

Now I'm hungry for Italian and French backers...German's had the best treats, Belguim's waffles really are that amazing, and France makes an amazing Banana Crepe.

 

[kristenthegreat]

Yup, it's really that easy. If you imagine what it looks like to go from the US to Mexico or Canada...it's nothing like that. Funny story, when DH and I first got to Germany we decided to be smart and rent a car but not rent a GPS. By smart, I mean dumb as hell. While we should have been driving towards Kaiserlautern to go to a furniture store, about an hour into the drive we see the 'Welcome to France sign" casually on the side of the road...um??? Yeah, DH stopped taking directions from me after that, but seriously...one time I ended up in Austria on total accident because of my mom who was in visiting. There are no huge stops where you have to show papers and stuff like that. If I wanted to make really good Italian food, I'd make the hour drive to the French Bakeries for Banquettes because they were the best... and it was the most natural thing in the world.

Now I'm hungry for Italian and French backers...German's had the best treats, Belguim's waffles really are that amazing, and France makes an amazing Banana Crepe.

Crepes are street food in Paris. And they cost legit cash here in the USA. I could get a sandwich, soda, and nutella crepe from my local stand when I was backpacking for 7 euros total.

 

[SL&AM]

Crepes are street food in Paris. And they cost legit cash here in the USA. I could get a sandwich, soda, and nutella crepe from my local stand when I was backpacking for 7 euros total.

The EURO rate sucked when we were there, but you're totally right, totally different atmosphere. I still miss Luxembourg pizza...they had the BIGGEST slices ever for like 4 EURO. And the markets...ugh, I need to move back when I retire.

 

[kristenthegreat]

The EURO rate sucked when we were there, but you're totally right, totally different atmosphere. I still miss Luxembourg pizza...they had the BIGGEST slices ever for like 4 EURO. And the markets...ugh, I need to move back when I retire.

Japan is my next big trip because I want to go while my cousin is still in Okinawa for his job, but I'd love to do another backpacking run through Europe.

My only problem is that I'm a single girl..and sometimes it's a little tricky.

 

[SL&AM]

Japan is my next big trip because I want to go while my cousin is still in Okinawa for his job, but I'd love to do another backpacking run through Europe.

My only problem is that I'm a single girl..and sometimes it's a little tricky.

I can see how that could be an issue.

Japan sounds fun! DH almost chose a slot to go there next, but then the plant thing happened and the position got canned so we headed back stateside. I'm still kicking myself for telling him not to extend to another 3 in Germany...

 

[gofriars610]

Yup, it's really that easy. If you imagine what it looks like to go from the US to Mexico or Canada...it's nothing like that. Funny story, when DH and I first got to Germany we decided to be smart and rent a car but not rent a GPS. By smart, I mean dumb as hell. While we should have been driving towards Kaiserlautern to go to a furniture store, about an hour into the drive we see the 'Welcome to France sign" casually on the side of the road...um??? Yeah, DH stopped taking directions from me after that, but seriously...one time I ended up in Austria on total accident because of my mom who was in visiting. There are no huge stops where you have to show papers and stuff like that. If I wanted to make really good Italian food, I'd make the hour drive to the French Bakeries for Banquettes because they were the best... and it was the most natural thing in the world.

which leads us to this video!


seriously, CGP Grey is one of my favorite people on the internet.

 

[SL&AM]

which leads us to this video!


seriously, CGP Grey is one of my favorite people on the internet.

Can we add this to HS Curriculum?

 

[Miialovescheer]

which leads us to this video!


seriously, CGP Grey is one of my favorite people on the internet.

I live in the midst of this.. and honestly the free border thing. doesnt always work...

 

[kate86]

I live in the midst of this.. and honestly the free border thing. doesnt always work...

As some who has a degree in European studies I am dying over this video. So true, so complicated and there is so much more to it!