All-Star A Growing Issue... I.e. Crossovers On Worlds Teams (for Bid Obtaining Purposes)

[cspoon]

Unless I am misunderstanding what you are saying, It's my understanding that the extra 10 people you roster on each team at the bid event will not be able to be used as subs... "A substitute must be a regular paid participant from another team at the same gym and must have competed “on the floor” with that team from
that gym at the same event where the bid was awarded".

Here is an easy solution to the rule that you must have competed at the competition.

On every team you bring, you roster as many people that are eligible for that specific division.

So in this particular instance, if Gym X wants to replace athletes on a senior team after a bid is obtained, at Competition J, they would do the following

• Roster 10 athletes in the following divisions ages 12-14
• Lg Sr 4.2, Sm Sr 4.2, Lg Sr 2, Lg Sr 2, Lg Sr 3, Lg Sr 3, Sm Sr 3, Lg Sr Coed 3, Sm Sr 4, Sm Sr 4, Sm Sr Cd 4, Sm Cd 5, Sr Restricted 5, Med Coed 5

• Roster 10 athletes in the following divisions that are ages 12-14
• Sm Jr 4, Lg jr 5, Lg Jr 3, Jr Cd 3

Now you can pull any age eligible athlete off of any of those teams PLUS up to 170 athletes that you rostered as alternates that weren't actually at the competition. In theory, you could roster every athlete in your program, whether or not they competed.

 

[Bystander]

Don't have to prove it and I said nothing was wrong with it.
If I go to a store and want a candy bar and it cost $1 and go to another store and its a dollar but buy one get one free! What would you do! Just saying most aren't paying cross over fees. If you think different then you are oblivious!

wow billy!

 

[cheerisgood]

[oh dear, i see we've found something petty to argue about. the issue is NOT whether or not they pay crossover fees!!! the issue is that they are manipulating the rules to gain an advantage over their competitors.

it wouldn't let me copy the post i wanted to...the one by bystander about 'proving' it.

 

[Bystander]

sorry i disappointed you! but you are correct i removed my post as not to keep arguing.

 

[cheer8]

wow billy!

:p

 

[cheer8]

sorry i disappointed you! but you are correct i removed my post as not to keep arguing.

i wasn't arguing i was having a conversation with you friend!!!:chestbump:

 

[DJ]

BlueCat kingston what is the procedure for getting this issue tabled for discussion at meetings such as Doral

 

[Bystander]

i wasn't arguing i was having a conversation with you friend!!!:chestbump:

hahaha we're good! I started to be mean but realized your cool and I should be too! :)

 

[BlueCat]

BlueCat kingston what is the procedure for getting this issue tabled for discussion at meetings such as Doral

Which issue?

1. Limiting crossovers overall
2. Limiting alternates at Worlds
3. Limiting who can be on floor at bid-earning events

 

[DJ]

Which issue?

1. Limiting crossovers overall
2. Limiting alternates at Worlds
3. Limiting who can be on floor at bid-earning events

Issue 2
Issue 3

Issue 1 would be a trend, however I think piloting it with Worlds teams would help set the standard.

Interestingly much of this could be coupled with the ways to eliminate sandbagging

 

[cheerisgood]

Issue 2
Issue 3

Issue 1 would be a trend, however I think piloting it with Worlds teams would help set the standard.

Interestingly much of this could be coupled with the ways to eliminate sandbagging

i agree meanj...i was just reading the sandbagging thread and thinking the same. the two can really go hand in hand

 

[5-6-7-8]

i agree meanj...i was just reading the sandbagging thread and thinking the same. the two can really go hand in hand

There are a few issues that could go hand in hand. :). The immediate ones being these two issues.


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[imrichhowboutu]

Unless I am misunderstanding what you are saying, It's my understanding that the extra 10 people you roster on each team at the bid event will not be able to be used as subs... "A substitute must be a regular paid participant from another team at the same gym and must have competed “on the floor” with that team from
that gym at the same event where the bid was awarded".

When you roster an alternate for a team and the week before the competition someone gets hurt and the alternate steps in, do you inform the competition? Chances are you don't.

I know for a fact that what I have stated has been done by people before.

 

[BlueCat]

I would again suggest that we eliminate the whole "must be rostered athlete", "rostered alternate", and "registered member of the gym" language. While I understand, and for the most part agree with the concept, it is unenforceable.

Simply put a cap on how many people you can change out on the team, find a simple way to verify who was on the floor when you got the bid, and be done with it. Make it cut and dried. The athlete/gym release situation has taken care of what led to all of that language anyway.

 

[cheerisgood]

I would again suggest that we eliminate the whole "must be rostered athlete", "rostered alternate", and "registered member of the gym" language. While I understand, and for the most part agree with the concept, it is unenforceable.

Simply put a cap on how many people you can change out on the team, find a simple way to verify who was on the floor when you got the bid, and be done with it. Make it cut and dried. The athlete/gym release situation has taken care of what led to all of that language anyway.

and INFORCE it!!