All-Star Cheerleaders Season 3?

[cheernerd5678]

if someone who is in jail/prison, a person who is basically property of the state and has many of their rights and freedoms taken away, has the right to not have their likeness used for commercial purposes, then it would follow that a free individual would as well. also, what seems "obvious" about what CALI is doing/has done or even has the power to do isn't always so clear and obvious, as was shown yesterday with the whole CALI controls usasf and creates rules just to get someone deported along with their other athletes who would go down as collateral damage. lol. i think dylan might have signed off on something when he didn't have to. had he chosen to not be a part of the show (i think he had that power given the leverage that he had with his power and tumbling skills) practice wouldn't have had to be adjusted for the cameras. it would have been the job of the awesomenesstv editing team, to cut/blur him out, and not be the job of CALI staff.

Had he chosen not to be on the show, the coaches could have chosen not to put him on the team. In jail they can't be like "eh you don't want to be on the show so just leave", so they work around it. Cali doesn't have to work around it, they can just kick people off.


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[quitthedrama]

So it's okay for a parent - a grown adult - to post on a public forum that a kid has no business being on a team if she says not very nice things about his/her son on social media? I'm hearing a lot of excuses for rules that would normally be enforced here under the guise of "you're not a parent, so you wouldn't understand." Matt could have gotten his point across just the same without calling a girl out BY NAME and blaming her apparent ineptitude for her son's injuries.

I don't really see the outrage with calling INS either. Maybe Dylan's Visa is different than other athlete's visas, but they're tricky, confusing things. If I had provided documentation in support of Dylan receiving that Visa - and if I had claimed responsibility for him for the next year, you bet your booty I'd be contacting INS as well to let them know he was no longer with my gym. I wouldn't want to run the risk of getting in trouble and ruining any credibility I had for next time if the terms of his visa were somehow violated. If his visa was as safe as Matt makes it out to be, then this so called "threat" shouldn't have been of concern to him.

Was that statement framed as a thread to try and scare them or retaliate for Dylan quitting? Yeah, probably. But I'd still be contacting them just to protect myself. I'm sure no one at Cali is an expert at immigration law, and if I were Tannaz, I'd have a lot of what if? questions too.

I can agree with your first point. There was no need to call out any athlete's shortcomings or weaknesses, but given the B.S. the family has been put through on behalf of athletes and staff memebers at Cali, I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt that the statements were made due to the sheer frustration and emotions of the situation.
The context of the email was completely self absorbed and threatening, not to mention insulting to CEA. I can't defend any part of that email whatsoever, and if I was CSP I would be more than side-eyeing Tannaz & Company right now.

 

[Fierce_Elite]

Apparently we're big bullies on here. I really REALLY hate that word. Just because we have a different opinion than the "smamily" , that does not make us bullies.

Its how people word things. Its okay to have conversation but the teasing part is what gets on my nerves.....

 

[Ashley]

I can agree with your first point. There was no need to call out any athlete's shortcomings or weaknesses, but given the B.S. the family has been put through on behalf of athletes and staff memebers at Cali, I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt that the statements were made due to the sheer frustration and emotions of the situation.

The context of the email was completely self absorbed and threatening, not to mention insulting to CEA. I can't defend any part of that email whatsoever, and if I was CSP I would be more than side-eyeing Tannaz & Company right now.

Fair enough, but he repeated it more than once. I think he replied yesterday with a post along the lines of "what? I'm not wrong. Wasn't she kicked off the team last year? She's clearly not good enough."

 

[Just-a-Mom]

I can agree with your first point. There was no need to call out any athlete's shortcomings or weaknesses, but given the B.S. the family has been put through on behalf of athletes and staff memebers at Cali, I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt that the statements were made due to the sheer frustration and emotions of the situation.
The context of the email was completely self absorbed and threatening, not to mention insulting to CEA. I can't defend any part of that email whatsoever, and if I was CSP I would be more than side-eyeing Tannaz & Company right now.

I don't have anything to add. Just quoting this because I liked it so much I thought it deserved a 2nd showing.

 

[Eyes On The Prize]

So it's okay for a parent - a grown adult - to post on a public forum that a kid has no business being on a team if she says not very nice things about his/her son on social media? I'm hearing a lot of excuses for rules that would normally be enforced here under the guise of "you're not a parent, so you wouldn't understand." Matt could have gotten his point across just the same without calling a girl out BY NAME and blaming her apparent ineptitude for her son's injuries.

I don't really see the outrage with calling INS either. Maybe Dylan's Visa is different than other athlete's visas, but they're tricky, confusing things. If I had provided documentation in support of Dylan receiving that Visa - and if I had claimed responsibility for him for the next year, you bet your booty I'd be contacting INS as well to let them know he was no longer with my gym. I wouldn't want to run the risk of getting in trouble and ruining any credibility I had for next time if the terms of his visa were somehow violated. If his visa was as safe as Matt makes it out to be, then this so called "threat" shouldn't have been of concern to him.

Was that statement framed as a thread to try and scare them or retaliate for Dylan quitting? Yeah, probably. But I'd still be contacting them just to protect myself. I'm sure no one at Cali is an expert at immigration law, and if I were Tannaz, I'd have a lot of what if? questions too.

I don't think contacting INS was wrong but the way Eddie worded it came off as a threat. I think that's what people have a problem with. If Eddie said "Because Dylan is no longer training with us, like his Visa said, we have to notify INS." Obviously it's a CYA move on their part incase, for some reason, Dylan leaving CA violated the terms and conditions of him being in the country. But Eddie didn't word it that way. He flat out speculated if Dylan had used CA as a gateway to get into the US since they are clearly BFF's with INS since they use them alllllll the time. :rolleyes: That is flat out ridiculous. For a grownup to say that about an 18 year old. To phrase them calling INS as a threat because their feelings were hurt when he decided to quit and then go to another gym. (And join a team that doesn't even compete in Smoed's division. It'd be different if he left for Brandon. "99% Florida and 1 Kiwi.") Again, I think that's the "outrage" people have with them calling INS.

 

[amy1k]

Probably, if the emotions were removed from the situation, the email could have said, "hey! Let's figure out how to keep this all legal. We're here to help!" Because, really, we're talking about a very young person, far from his family and country, who wants to do cheerleading.

 

[Cheermom1969]

Soooo, when's the next competition?

January 18th for us. Is it January 18th yet? Is it??? Puleeze for the love of Pete, let it be January 18th.

 

[Weezy]

So it's okay for a parent - a grown adult - to post on a public forum that a kid has no business being on a team if she says not very nice things about his/her son on social media? I'm hearing a lot of excuses for rules that would normally be enforced here under the guise of "you're not a parent, so you wouldn't understand." Matt could have gotten his point across just the same without calling a girl out BY NAME and blaming her apparent ineptitude for her son's injuries.

I don't really see the outrage with calling INS either. Maybe Dylan's Visa is different than other athlete's visas, but they're tricky, confusing things. If I had provided documentation in support of Dylan receiving that Visa - and if I had claimed responsibility for him for the next year, you bet your booty I'd be contacting INS as well to let them know he was no longer with my gym. I wouldn't want to run the risk of getting in trouble and ruining any credibility I had for next time if the terms of his visa were somehow violated. If his visa was as safe as Matt makes it out to be, then this so called "threat" shouldn't have been of concern to him.

Was that statement framed as a thread to try and scare them or retaliate for Dylan quitting? Yeah, probably. But I'd still be contacting them just to protect myself. I'm sure no one at Cali is an expert at immigration law, and if I were Tannaz, I'd have a lot of what if? questions too.[/QUOTE

1) Never said it was okay for him to bash athletes.
2) I said there was a discrepancy in how the Visa was obtained. Meaning Cali states they did and Dylan's dad states he did the work for it.
3) I never stated I was outraged about calling INS. I stated I perceived it as a veiled threat. I also did not get the impression from Dylan's dad he was threatened, just another low blow to his son from this program.
4) And as far as using the "guise" you are not a parent, it is not to excuse a behavior. It's that when you are a parent, you can better relate to another when they feel their child is being wronged and you feel helpless, especially so far away. I can disagree with his approach and still be empathetic to him.

 

[getsum]

I'm sure you're being obtuse on purpose, but obviously LEGALLY he didn't have to be on the show. I'm not sure why you keep trying to "prove" that he had some sort of legal right to decline to be on the show. Duh...NO ONE is saying that he was obligated by some law to be on the show. Your jail example makes no sense, when no one is saying that he was forced to do the show. He wanted to be on smoed, more than anything. To be on smoed, he had to agree to be on the show. (had to = a condition of making the team, not a legal obligation)

This is what his dad is saying, and unless you have some sort of insider knowledge (from this program that you supposedly have no connection to), then I'm going to go ahead and believe the only person involved in this whole mess who has not been caught in any lies or dishonesty, or even just misrepresentation of facts, as of yet.

Stop being so argumentative. You knew what Dylan's dad was saying, and you know what I'm saying. You really are just arguing to argue. You know good and darn well what he meant.

dylan's dad said "Dylan did not want to be on the show but he wanted to be on the team & to be on the team means you have to be on the show, you don't have a choice." that can be interpreted many ways. it isn't so "obvious" like you try to make it seem. it can mean that awesomeness tv told dylan that because he was in the gym where the show was being filmed, he had no choice but to be filmed (perhaps taking advantage of him being a foreigner unaware of local laws and getting him to unknowingly give permission on camera). it can also mean that CALI had some clause in the athlete contract stating that he would be filmed for commercial purposes as part of being on smoed. that's something that he didn't have to do and could have still made the team. as i stated before, he is a high caliber athelete and probably one of the strongest guys to come to smoed. his dad even said that CALI was willing to foot the bill for his training. if he was that good, he had leverage. he could have stated that he didn't want to be on the show, and given what has been stated about his abilities, i think the gym would have complied with his request. what would have been the negative at having a blurred out face on the show... a blurred out face that could've helped them win nca and worlds? he either got manipulated by tv producers or signed off on something that he didn't have to. not sorry for looking at this from multiple angles and not simply taking the "obvious" answer.

Had he chosen not to be on the show, the coaches could have chosen not to put him on the team. In jail they can't be like "eh you don't want to be on the show so just leave", so they work around it. Cali doesn't have to work around it, they can just kick people off.
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if it was CALI trying to get him to be on the show, as i stated above, i don't think they would've kicked him off or barred him from joining in the first place had he chosen not to be on the show. if that was case, i don't think he bargained enough (and i do believe he had the ability to bargain) and gave in too soon. he's top notch when it comes to tumbling and overall strength.

 

[Ally13]

I think there are valid points for Cali wanting to contact the INS, as other posters stated. But the e-mails from Eddie and others at Cali made it seem like it was a threat or a punishment for quitting the team and going to CEA. Not a concern about their credibilty or potential legal trouble.

 

[Weezy]

@getsum Have you ever seen any Smoed athletes face blurred out on the show?

 

[getsum]

@getsum Have you ever seen any Smoed athletes face blurred out on the show?

no, i haven't. why do you ask?

 

[Weezy]

no, i haven't. why do you ask?[/QUOTE

So if Dylan wanted to be on Smoed but not filmed do you think his request would have been accommodated?

 

[FlexyTumblerMom]

We all know there is no way they would have let Dylan be on Smoed w/o being on the show - he maybe could have negotiated not being featured as much as they wanted to feature him, but they never would have blurred his face out or not let his name be public knowledge - c'mon that would have been silly. I'd bet they even go so far as to choose their atheletes based on their "stories" - just like other reality series allegedly do - I wouldn't be surprised if that's how Jessica is in the mix, and why there was pressure for Dylan to make that stunt work cause they didn't WANT to cut her - her Berkley story is a major storyline this season.