All-Star Crossover Limit ???

[WCMAN]

There is a uge difference between a level 5s BH and level 2s BH.The speed the form , not even close .There is also body control on every aspect of cheer. Higher level athletes body control and form does not compare to a lower level . Crossovers would make more sense if they were for injuries , quit , parent removes the athlete of the team for grades etc..I do understand that small gyms need crossovers to survive . At WC crossovers are really not needed wich is a luxury I know some gyms do not have , but are used in emergency circumstances . I do see that they will use a level 5 to fill in for a level 5. On the lower levels they will fill a spot with another cp from the same level are LOWER not a HIGHER level cp . This is the problem with gyms crossing..

 

[imrichhowboutu]

One of the other great things about being at a larger gym is that kids are at the correct level. Just because a girl has a round off bhs tuck, doesn't mean she is a level 3 cheerleader. I have seen at smaller gyms that someone with any skill at a particular level usually makes that level. At larger gyms, it seems that you need the whole package before you can move up.

 

[tumbleyoda]

One of the other great things about being at a larger gym is that kids are at the correct level. Just because a girl has a round off bhs tuck, doesn't mean she is a level 3 cheerleader. I have seen at smaller gyms that someone with any skill at a particular level usually makes that level. At larger gyms, it seems that you need the whole package before you can move up.

I also think a part of that is at a larger or more established gym the parent is a little more willing to accept that placement, where at a smaller gym you have more parents less likely to accept that placement; especially if there is a larger gym right around the corner. While it is easy to say go ahead and leave from a business perspective if you lose too many like that it can cause a problem in your bottom line, as well as your overall team and program strength. Sometimes you have gyms cutting off their nose despite their face trying to keep their customers happy only to have them complain again when that team is not competitive in the division.

 

[MomOf2ThatsMe]

I'm waiting for the day when someone competes senior 5 and senior 2 with the exact same time. At the moment it is completely legal.

Sad thing is I know someone who competed S5 & S2 last season. And this was at a big gym too...

 

[Emily Jane]

Sad thing is I know someone who competed S5 & S2 last season. And this was at a big gym too...

I believe @kingston said a while ago that a girl at rays competed on S2 despite having a double (she wasn't a crossover on level 5, she wanted to just be on S2 so that she could be with her friends), how does everyone feel about that?

 

[King]

I believe @kingston said a while ago that a girl at rays competed on S2 despite having a double (she wasn't a crossover on level 5, she wanted to just be on S2 so that she could be with her friends), how does everyone feel about that?

I did. She is on Amber now. She was an ex-gymnast who was in her first year of cheer and really wanted to be with her friends, though she was asked if she wanted to be on green. In the end if she was on a team that maybe went to Worlds or win NCA but wasn't happy and quit cheerleading what would have been the point?

Higher levels competing down bother me less than 6 year olds flying on senior teams. No matter if a girl has the best tumbling in the world she can still only do so much on level 2 or 3.

 

[xoxotumblerforeverxoxo]

i think if you're using one or two cheerleaders to fill out a team. i know about three girls on sr 2 that crossover to youth 2 because they needed them, i think thats fine. i don't mind gyms that have kids crossover because they need a few more team members or someone got injuried or quit etc... i also don't mind if full year kids crossover to half year or if they do a dance team at the gym. But, if half of one team crosses over to another team, i don't like that.

 

[livelovecheer]

i think it's only fair to cross over down one level but no more than two levels because then it's not fair to the other kids that actually work hard. Say a level five crossover was on a level three team, that kid would be in front for everything and it wouldn't be fair to the hard workers on that team since everyone knows that of course that crossover has the skills, they're on level 5.

 

[imrichhowboutu]

i think it's only fair to cross over down one level but no more than two levels because then it's not fair to the other kids that actually work hard. Say a level five crossover was on a level three team, that kid would be in front for everything and it wouldn't be fair to the hard workers on that team since everyone knows that of course that crossover has the skills, they're on level 5.

I was doing choreography this past weekend and specifically asked who was only on the specific team to make sure that a different level girl wasnt center for everything.

 

[livelovecheer]

I was doing choreography this past weekend and specifically asked who was only on the specific team to make sure that a different level girl wasnt center for everything.

I think that's good then because I always see the same girl in the front for a lower level team then see her on a 5 team. As long as the kid isn't in center for everything I think it's fair to the rest of the team. :)

 

[cheeeeer93]

I believe @kingston said a while ago that a girl at rays competed on S2 despite having a double (she wasn't a crossover on level 5, she wanted to just be on S2 so that she could be with her friends), how does everyone feel about that?

I honestly don't mind. It was her first season so she probably should not have been on a highly competitive team anyways since it was the first year she was doing any of the stunting and pyramid skills. That's a lot of pressure for a girl to go from learning everything from preps to double downs pretty much over the summer.

Also what tends to bother me is seeing youth or even mini aged kids cross over -- regardless of level. 2 routines in a day at a big nationals is a lot for a 7 year old.

 

[CatFan22]

Thats ridiculous...IMO if you need a lot of crossovers to make the team, you shouldn't have it. Work with what you have, don't stretch it to make more. But what bugs me more than crossing levels is majority of teams going from sr 5 down to jr 5, or j5 to youth 5. It drives me crazy.

I agree. If you need to have 1/2 your team be crossovers (even if it's within the same level, like Jr 5 to Sr 5), is it even worth it to have the team at all?
I think many programs have issues fielding full Jr 5 teams because Juniors can't go to Worlds anymore. Once those L5 athletes hit age 12, they're not satisfied with the Jr5 anymore, they want to go to Worlds. So, they let those athletes between 12-14 be on a Worlds team, but then have them crossover to the Jr5, so the kids under 12 can still compete L5 with a full team.

 

[WCMAN]

It is also crazy when I see these gyms use 4-5 of their youth age flyers, fly on their youth,junior and senior teams. All levels. It does not even have to be a level 5 cp. I see level 4s cross down to level 2 and feel good about winning. Its not fair to the level 2s from the losing teams who worked hard to get that BH and then get beaten by a team of "ringers". I see this a lot in small gyms by me. It just makes no sense.

 

[ryann3794]

One of the other great things about being at a larger gym is that kids are at the correct level. Just because a girl has a round off bhs tuck, doesn't mean she is a level 3 cheerleader. I have seen at smaller gyms that someone with any skill at a particular level usually makes that level. At larger gyms, it seems that you need the whole package before you can move up.

not the exact same thing but I'm on a senior 3 and I cross up to Senior 4 but I don't tumble at all. I was brought up because I can stunt and Senior 4 needed another backspot.

 

[canttouchthis]

crossovers to a certain extent are fine for me whatever but when you need more than 3 thats a bit much.