- May 7, 2012
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I feel the same way. I haven't made up my mind how I feel. Right now it still feels like we're (small gyms collectively) being sent to the D2 corner but I can see the positives if it's done right.
All-Star Division I And Division Ii At Worlds - Big Gym Separation
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- Dec 14, 2009
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So if the problem isn't being addressed with THIS solution, maybe we need to find a different one?
My mind is continually boggled by the fact that parents are willing to up and send their kids off to compete somewhere else for a sport that provides NO other advancement. These kids aren't like Kiara, who are also World Champion power tumblers. I do think the Summit might actually help, as it gives everyone an even playing field (assuming they can go get a bid).
My mind is continually boggled by the fact that parents are willing to up and send their kids off to compete somewhere else for a sport that provides NO other advancement. These kids aren't like Kiara, who are also World Champion power tumblers. I do think the Summit might actually help, as it gives everyone an even playing field (assuming they can go get a bid).
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Is this solution intended to solve that problem? A lot of assumptions have been made based on the snippet from the BOD minutes that may or may not be accurate.
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Quote from @Cheer_Explosion_Coach:
What I'm wondering is why are there gyms with 4 or so teams at worlds and none of them are large. I'd rather see a gym mandated to have a Large senior or Large Coed before getting the approval to send a second team. That'd make large senior grow and some of the other ones shrink.~~~~~
In the co-ed division it would be difficult to go large when combining teams. Last year Ultimate had 2 co-ed (and one all girl) teams go to worlds. Yes, that would have made enough athletes to make a large team, but the number of boys they had on both the small and medium co-ed teams combined still would have been well below the 18 boys allowed. Hard to compete with only 10 boys against a team with 18 boys.
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What I'm wondering is why are there gyms with 4 or so teams at worlds and none of them are large. I'd rather see a gym mandated to have a Large senior or Large Coed before getting the approval to send a second team. That'd make large senior grow and some of the other ones shrink.~~~~~
In the co-ed division it would be difficult to go large when combining teams. Last year Ultimate had 2 co-ed (and one all girl) teams go to worlds. Yes, that would have made enough athletes to make a large team, but the number of boys they had on both the small and medium co-ed teams combined still would have been well below the 18 boys allowed. Hard to compete with only 10 boys against a team with 18 boys.
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And to add on to that, I just think that there are certain programs I would be terrified to see in the large division - even if they have multiple small worlds teams. Just because there is a small and a medium team, and both are solidly good, it doesn't mean they'll be just as solid in large.
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I'm not sure what problem this is intended to solve. If YOU know I'd love to know, as I don't feel this is an answer to anything. Depending on the 'problem', I'm sure the board might be able to find a solution.
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I thought they had a coed team was large this past season?
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Oh ok..thanks. In really long threads I tend to read backwards (starting from the last page) as opposed to shorter threads where I start on the first page.
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This is the snippet from the BOD minutes. I assume it's accurate unless someone has evidence that it's not:
To me, that is a tacit acknowledgement that there are too many teams at Worlds, and more to the point, too many teams at Worlds that aren't competitive. I can easily extrapolate that beyond just Worlds, start looking at other competitions and other divisions - and the reality is that there is significant gap between that "haves" and the "have nots".
And that is a big problem. If the elite gyms just get bigger and more elite because talented kids realize that being at those gyms is the only way to win, that's a terrible thing for the sport.
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I actually don't think that there are too many teams at Worlds, I just think that the venue is far too small. If the event was in an adequate venue, I would even be OK with doing away with at large bids, and just let anyone sign up. The bid system is complicated and adds unnecessary friction to the whole process, IMO.
I would also let Event Producers give $ towards "paid bids" at their discretion. The only limitation is that they have to announce the amount of and process for their paid bids ahead of time.
I would also let Event Producers give $ towards "paid bids" at their discretion. The only limitation is that they have to announce the amount of and process for their paid bids ahead of time.
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I have mentioned the D1, D2 proposal as a "what if" to my cp and some of her friends. They seemed to welcome the idea that coming from a small gym they would have the opportunity to have a shot at a D2 title at Worlds. For them, it takes away the feeling that they would have little chance against the larger teams. We have an IO team that did pretty well last year but still in the finals the top 3 were from large gyms.
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I've actually been a proponent in the past of the concept of making Worlds an open competition. If you're not going to make it selective, then let anyone show up provided they've attended at least three worlds-bid comps in the past year.
But if you're going to make it selective, make it selective and limit it to teams that have a legitimate chance to be competitive. The current bid process, where the 19th-place team at NCA can get an at-large bid, is a farce.
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Heck, make it open and just have a score minimum. You must attend 3 worlds-bid comps and score an AVERAGE of 'xyz' on the worlds scoresheet. A number that is realistic.
Again- does anyone have the link to the worlds score doc? I wanted to check something.
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