Mclovin
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There are multiple ways to do that 1 toss. Are those differences enough to change the start value?
Having different arm positions, to me, does not change the difficulty of the basket, so no.
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There are multiple ways to do that 1 toss. Are those differences enough to change the start value?
front spot/ no front would be a factor
This is the first novel I have written in a while.
I shortened the novel. :).
This... completely.Andre
Mclovin
ASCheerMan
-A chance for a coach to argue a difficulty score, but NOT a technique score.
Andre
Mclovin
ASCheerMan
I say coaches are completely allowed to argue their difficulty score, for a price. (stole this part from gymnastics) If a coach believes the difficulty score for their team is not correct they can pay $200 dollars to have that difficulty score reviewed by someone else independently. If the score the new judge is outside a certain range (let's say if the team was given .7 and the new judge gave them more than a .1 swing... so .9 or .5) the coach gets their money back. If not the competition keeps the money. Basically a gym will only argue if they really know their score was messed up. $200 per category they think was wrong.
I would have gotten it all back, but I think I made at least 6 or 7 trips to the accuscore table in myrtle beach and I don't want to have to carry a couple thousand in cash on me to competitions. With that being said, the process at least from my perspective ran smoothly, but it helps to be able to present a clear case with knowledge of the rules, scoring, and deduction system and I had a sheet to write out the rule or range requirement and what we did in the routine to meet that and why the current score, deduction, rules interpretation was incorrect. Only really had to "argue" (in person discussion, involving several layers of judges) 1 thing and it was a rule interpretation.
I appreciated having a process, vs just being more of the oh well thats what the judges saw or having to actually argue and then just getting into the bare bottom of the range rather than getting a legitimate score.The fact that you had to do that is the issue, not that you did do it.
I appreciated having a process, vs just being more of the oh well thats what the judges saw or having to actually argue and then just getting into the bare bottom of the range rather than getting a legitimate score.
But they were essentially doing what you had proposed, they were video judging the routine for what was being challenged.
One major Problem with video judging and it happened with my team during one of our challenges, There was a glitch in the video(it was clear that there was a glitch) but it essentially erased the skill in question. We did toe touch bhs toe touch, in the video we did kind of a humming bird looking toe touch. If that was just video judged we would have received the incorrect score.
True, but there may need to be a live watching person taking notes in addition to the video judge as a back up.I would say comparably the number of times the video will messup compared to the number of times a judge will mess up because they are doing it live would be a much more acceptable amount.
True, but there may need to be a live watching person taking notes in addition to the video judge as a back up.
So we need
3 technique/execution/performance/creativity live Judges
1 live difficulty judge
2 Video difficulty Judges
1 Video Rules Judge
1 Head Judge
and someone to handle challenges
What is the current typical judging set up?
During two day events would the teams submit the written list each day or would they submit it once and only be able to amend it in case of injury?
Number 5 is a tricky one.I thought I would get some suggestions on ways to improve the scoring process for all star cheer.
Here are a few of mine:
1. All the scores are made public. EVERY number written down on any judge's sheet should be made available to the public. The comments are given only to the coaches of the teams.
2. Universal scoring process (with customizable variables) Having a single system would improve the judging as all training could be done on one system. My "tweak" to this is to allow EPs, if they choose, to add a variable number as a "multiplier" to each category to change the weighting of the various areas of cheer. The final score would look the same, but the EPs could adjust the value of each category if they chose. The important part is that the judging process would not change at all, the computer would just spit out the adjusted results.
3. Unofficial scoring is announced as you go. It increases total interest at the event. (Yes, awards is less dramatic, but OVERALL there is more drama throughout the event as you anticipate and compare scores all day long.) It also lessens the appearance of politics. Judges can still keep track of the scores they have given as a reference. IMPORTANT: Scores/placements are not final until coaches have had the chance to quickly review their scoresheets and lodge any protests. (Correct math errors, out-of-range scoring, etc.) This also has the benefit of allowing teams to compose themselves before being put under the award ceremony microscope.
NEW:
4. Coaches turn in a skills declaration before their teams compete. The judges have a written list of the skill elements in the routine to use as a reference in deciding difficulty. This would be in the order that they are performed in the routine. (Execution would still be subjective, and a major part of the final score.) Penalties would be given if athletes changed their skills to something easier. (Athlete throws a tuck instead of a double, flyer singles down instead of doubles, etc.) A judge sitting with the deduction judge would watch video to determine compliance with written skills. Coaches would have the ability to make last-minute changes in the case of injury or water-down decisions.
5. Expert panel annually ranks the difficulty of the most common various skill elements. Is a 1.5-up to stretch harder than a tic-tock? Is a 1 to double harder than a 2 to whip double? Is an assisted toss stretch harder than unassisted toss extension? There currently is NO standard by which coaches (or judges) can go by to decide what skills they will be rewarded for. Coaches may be performing skills they think are getting rewarded for, but the judges may not actually think it is harder. We basically need a frame of reference.