All-Star Idea For How To Score Better

[CGAcheer]

To not slow down the pace of a comp, the live judges judge live, then as soon as the routine finishes the video starts then they have about 4 mins until the next routine they have to judge. So it's not an unlimited frame by frame review but enough time to pause and count or review a section or two

 

[ICEDAD]

God I hope they have all star experience. I want coaches like you and kingston and imrichhowboutu judging my teams. I know we'll be scored correctly if the people judging have been in the trenches and know their stuff.

As a parent, I would pay extra $$$ to have you three judge any and all events attended by ICE...even if we have teams in the same division!

 

[King]

11 single based stunts (libs to hands, creative dismounts) - 8 unnassissted
11 - Toe fulls
5 two to fulls
6 Fulls, 1 Faker, 8 doubles
7 one to whip doubles

10 Fullups 1 straight up (3 body positions) - all doubled down
1 elite pass (arabian double double)
17 fulls or doubles (the video quality and people standing up made this part hard) 1 girl threw a layout
12 timed out double passes with 10 passes trick to doubles
4 mid routine flexibility baskets

Assuming 36 people for cheetahs (as this number would be needed to be known before the routine started) - jump sequence was
3 jumps to back with 34 people, 3 fakers
squad double jump

9 baskets. 6 kick kick doubles, 3 kick doubles (this part was a little subjective but a few didn't have great seperation for me to consider them a kick kick)

Pyramid had 17 level 5 elements
Had at least flipping release, twisting releases, paperdoll structures

That took me about 12 minutes (insert time in the middle for me to have a sandwhich with livi.... hey lunch was ready!)

I tried to do it with a bit of speed and curious how accurate I am. BlueCat ?

 

[King]

11 single based stunts (libs to hands, creative dismounts) - 8 unnassissted
11 - Toe fulls
5 two to fulls
6 Fulls, 1 Faker, 8 doubles
7 one to whip doubles

10 Fullups 1 straight up (3 body positions) - all doubled down
1 elite pass (arabian double double)
17 fulls or doubles (the video quality and people standing up made this part hard) 1 girl threw a layout
12 timed out double passes with 10 passes trick to doubles
4 mid routine flexibility baskets

Assuming 36 people for cheetahs (as this number would be needed to be known before the routine started) - jump sequence was
3 jumps to back with 34 people, 3 fakers
squad double jump

9 baskets. 6 kick kick doubles, 3 kick doubles (this part was a little subjective but a few didn't have great seperation for me to consider them a kick kick)

Pyramid had 17 level 5 elements
Had at least flipping release, twisting releases, paperdoll structures

That took me about 12 minutes (insert time in the middle for me to have a sandwhich with livi.... hey lunch was ready!)

I tried to do it with a bit of speed and curious how accurate I am. bluecat?

I will say I could knock off a few minutes with steady video, higher resolution (the whites run together on the uniform making the larger sections harder to see) and a written down number of people on the team and a 'chart' to help me decide ratios.

 

[King]

I messed up one part and wrote the giant standing section in the running tumbling part. Possibly because I had no set section to write that.

 

[CGAcheer]

Using that as an example, is there anyone who can accurately tell how many of the baskets were kick kick doubles (highest range on NCA scoresheet) vs. kick doubles (lower range) in one viewing (happens at around 1:50)? The potential difference in difficulty score in whether there were majority or not would be about .8 towards your final score - a bigger difference than 1st and 2nd in most divisions.

That is assuming that ALL you are watching for is kick kick doubles, you know ahead of time what is coming up, and you are NOT writing down the jump score for the previous section and watching intently. I know I couldn't do it in one viewing even though it is my team and I know which ones to look for.

Do you still think that video replay is a bad idea?

So yeah, first view I had no clue. But after replaying twice, which is probably the most you would get with the time constraints, I'm going with 7 kick kick doubles

 

[BlueCat]

11 single based stunts (libs to hands, creative dismounts) - 8 unnassissted
11 - Toe fulls
5 two to fulls
6 Fulls, 1 Faker, 8 doubles
7 one to whip doubles

10 Fullups 1 straight up (3 body positions) - all doubled down
1 elite pass (arabian double double)
17 fulls or doubles (the video quality and people standing up made this part hard) 1 girl threw a layout
12 timed out double passes with 10 passes trick to doubles
4 mid routine flexibility baskets

Assuming 36 people for cheetahs (as this number would be needed to be known before the routine started) - jump sequence was
3 jumps to back with 34 people, 3 fakers
squad double jump

9 baskets. 6 kick kick doubles, 3 kick doubles (this part was a little subjective but a few didn't have great seperation for me to consider them a kick kick)

Pyramid had 17 level 5 elements
Had at least flipping release, twisting releases, paperdoll structures

That took me about 12 minutes (insert time in the middle for me to have a sandwhich with livi.... hey lunch was ready!)

I tried to do it with a bit of speed and curious how accurate I am. bluecat?

Pretty accurate, actually. You didn't mention that the libs bumped to hands, did single based extensions and (some) walked them. That would be considered a bit more difficult than simply doing the lib part. You also didn't list some minor stunts that could probably be considered more as choreography than anything for stunt difficulty. A few other items here and there, but nothing I can think of that would have a major impact on difficulty scores.

How accurate do you think you would you have been if you were only allowed to view it once full speed? I think I would trust you to be much more accurate than some of the people judging.

 

[King]

Pretty accurate, actually. You didn't mention that the libs bumped to hands, did single based extensions and (some) walked them. That would be considered a bit more difficult than simply doing the lib part. You also didn't list some minor stunts that could probably be considered more as choreography than anything for stunt difficulty. A few other items here and there, but nothing I can think of that would have a major impact on difficulty scores.

How accurate do you think you would you have been if you were only allowed to view it once full speed?

Simply put I would have given you all the fullups, all the baskets as kick kick doubles, unless randomly spotting one most of your tumbling I would have put as spinning (except the 7 girls going at once.. that was the easiest to spot). Pyramids in general are the easiest to get right with difficulty, but you arent really allowed to enjoy the performance of it then.

I would also compare this to Rays style which is present everything as simply, cleanly, and easy to spot as possible.

As for the other little pieces you mentioned I think they would have less an impact on the difficulty and more an impact on the performance, creativity, and execution scores.

 

[BlueCat]

I would also compare this to Rays style which is present everything as simply, cleanly, and easy to spot as possible.

I think you mean that you think our skills were presented "simply". I agree that this a good philosophy. If you feel your team does something well, then the judges should be able to see it. If they don't do it well, then it shouldn't be in the routine to begin with.

 

[lcheergirl]

I messed up one part and wrote the giant standing section in the running tumbling part. Possibly because I had no set section to write that.

How long did that take you? That was impressive!!!

 

[King]

How long did that take you? That was impressive!!!

About 12 minutes.

 

[imrichhowboutu]

As a parent, I would pay extra $$$ to have you three judge any and all events attended by ICE...even if we have teams in the same division!

i already did one this season so far. haha

 

[lcheergirl]

About 12 minutes.

Great job first of all, you showed it works. Now would you implement that with a competition with over 900 teams? Would you have multiple judges doing this to cut down on time?

 

[King]

Great job first of all, you showed it works. Now would you implement that with a competition with over 900 teams? Would you have multiple judges doing this to cut down on time?

Yes. You would have to have how long it takes to break down a routine (let us say 15 minutes) to how many teams that can go in that 15 minutes (so 3?). So 3 per arena. 4 to be safe.

 

[King]

Yes. You would have to have how long it takes to break down a routine (let us say 15 minutes) to how many teams that can go in that 15 minutes (so 3?). So 3 per arena. 4 to be safe.

Right now there are 5 judges per panel and at least 3 in the areana (I think the same in the other halls?). Also a head judge I believe. So 6.