All-Star Illegal Athletes

[socratesofcheer]

Instead of having a regular average Joe check ID's that couldn't tell a fake ID from a real one... I think USASF should hire a few ID Specialist to check all Birth Cert. or ID's at check in!!!!... The Athletes will walk in like you are in the airport to Registration and warm-ups with ID in hand. You see the Officers, they look you up and down and pass you or not. This would stop the Cheating . Only an idiot would try to pass through. But this would make You/ your coach and program Honest and have legit performers on the floor or one of you possibly may Go to Jail for a Federal Offense... I choose Honesty for my kids no jail for me!
I just don't see how someone could put a child in a predicament where it is against the law, which will be on their record for the rest of their lives which colleges and future jobs will be looking at if they got charged... Shame on you all that do this! and if you don't like me saying Shame on you all the kiss it b/c I don't care for cheaters!

Just making sure I understand, you want the TSA to come to cheerleading competitions and check ID's like a bouncer at a night club, and then, if the ID is a fake throw them in jail?

 

[ssccxnce]

I know that for competitions here in Ontario.. with all the rules through Cheer Evolution, our senior teams could have 19 year olds on it, however not 20 years olds.. for us, its because you have to be 18 or under as of august 31, of the year the season started.. so this year for instance.. they would have to be 18 or under as of august 31,2011.. so we do have a guy on our team turning 19

haha this is me lol my birthdays in novemeber and im only 18 now so i could still be senior eligible this year as well as next if only i was not broke as heck

 

[brandnewstyle]

hypothetically, what if a team that had won worlds was proven to have illegal athletes? what would the usasf do if they already had their rings?

 

[King]

hypothetically, what if a team that had won worlds was proven to have illegal athletes? what would the usasf do if they already had their rings?

Probably just strip them of their title if there was undeniable proof. The rings themselves would be hard to track down, but would be themselves meaningless anyways if it wasn't a real win.

 

[tumbleyoda]

hypothetically, what if a team that had won worlds was proven to have illegal athletes? what would the usasf do if they already had their rings?

This is just a guess but I would believe they would do something like some EP's do when they make mistakes that are caught and brought to light. Clarify the rule or rules that were broken for the following years but let the winning team keep their rings on the basis that they don't want to punish the kids who have the trophy - even though it still punishes those who truly won and lost that moment.

 

[Hi! It's me!]

Ok as a parent of many children who have played many sports through the years I am going to jump in. Both my sons have played baseball and soccer at pretty high travel levels, the equal of allstars at worlds. In order to step on the field the ref/umpire was handed a ring of picture ID's by the coach, each child had to step forward as their name was called and their face was matched with their picture. For regional and national playoffs the coach also had to carry a book that contained an OFFICIAL, meaning with the raised state seal, copy of everyone's birth certificate. Not a big deal you got it back at the end of play offs and the coaches were very careful with them. If an opposing coach questioned the age of a child the coach could pull out the real birth certificate and proof was immediate. The purpose of this really long winded explanation is why can't this be done at Worlds? Check picture ID's of athletes as they come into warmups or when they check in, which ever, and if there is a complaint, pull out the official birth certificate. If your gym is above board no big deal. But until this is policed there are always going to be complaints and concerns, founded and unfounded.

 

[King]

Ok as a parent of many children who have played many sports through the years I am going to jump in. Both my sons have played baseball and soccer at pretty high travel levels, the equal of allstars at worlds. In order to step on the field the ref/umpire was handed a ring of picture ID's by the coach, each child had to step forward as their name was called and their face was matched with their picture. For regional and national playoffs the coach also had to carry a book that contained an OFFICIAL, meaning with the raised state seal, copy of everyone's birth certificate. Not a big deal you got it back at the end of play offs and the coaches were very careful with them. If an opposing coach questioned the age of a child the coach could pull out the real birth certificate and proof was immediate. The purpose of this really long winded explanation is why can't this be done at Worlds? Check picture ID's of athletes as they come into warmups or when they check in, which ever, and if there is a complaint, pull out the official birth certificate. If your gym is above board no big deal. But until this is policed there are always going to be complaints and concerns, founded and unfounded.

This is currently in the process of being implemented. That is what athlete registration is. But we are probably a season or two out from having extremely accurate information.

 

[Hi! It's me!]

This is currently in the process of being implemented. That is what athlete registration is. But we are probably a season or two out from having extremely accurate information.

Good to know that.

 

[RockstarCheer]

That happened to us last year. A team used a 20 yr old that used to cheer on my Worlds team 2 years prior. I had the proof, contacted the USASF and there was NOTHING they could do to that gym. The reason given to me was "They aren't a USASF gym." So yes they cheated and there was nothing they could do to them. My solution that I offered was simple. If gyms compete at any USASF Competition company then they must be a registered USASF gym. Then they could enforce and penalize gyms that cheat.

 

[King]

That happened to us last year. A team used a 20 yr old that used to cheer on my Worlds team 2 years prior. I had the proof, contacted the USASF and there was NOTHING they could do to that gym. The reason given to me was "They aren't a USASF gym." So yes they cheated and there was nothing they could do to them. My solution that I offered was simple. If gyms compete at any USASF Competition company then they must be a registered USASF gym. Then they could enforce and penalize gyms that cheat.

Which isn't a bad solution, but is hinged on the fact that there would need to be the system in place to track all athletes at each gym AND that compete at each competition. You must get each EP to agree to this as well as each gym. Around half of the EP's right now and at least a good portion of the gyms would never agree to this.

 

[omgitssydthekid]

Seems like this would be easy to validate since most people fly in, most have to show proper ID to board the plane, depending on the their age...After paying so much $ for cheer a few $ more for a state id is not a lot to ask. You can get a state ID in CA at any age for about $20

I know in Missouri you can get one for $11 because I had looked into getting one to open a checking account without it being connected to my parents before I got my permit.

 

[RockstarCheer]

Which isn't a bad solution, but is hinged on the fact that there would need to be the system in place to track all athletes at each gym AND that compete at each competition. You must get each EP to agree to this as well as each gym. Around half of the EP's right now and at least a good portion of the gyms would never agree to this.

So the reality is if you want to cheat and avoid any penalties from the USASF then don't pay your annual dues and don't be a USASF gym. It's really sad but true.

 

[SheCheers]

i do think this is starting to become addressed. This year at ACA nationals, every team has to be a USASF member and every athlete has to be registered to compete.

 

[CoachTamara]

i do think this is starting to become addressed. This year at ACA nationals, every team has to be a USASF member and every athlete has to be registered to compete.

Is this being checked by ACA? I have heard numerous times athletes won't be allowed to compete without being registered, but have yet to attend or even hear about a competition where this is actually true. I'm thinking in the next few years it will be, but this is the first I've heard of anything this year.

 

[SheCheers]

Is this being checked by ACA? I have heard numerous times athletes won't be allowed to compete without being registered, but have yet to attend or even hear about a competition where this is actually true. I'm thinking in the next few years it will be, but this is the first I've heard of anything this year.

It's what it says on their website for Nationals in Ft Worth and we got an email from our gym owner saying all athletes need to be registered to attend.