All-Star "name" Of Gym Affecting Placement?

[KB_Legend]

Doesn't everyone have access to the same choreographers and music producers?

 

[cheerfan27]

One of the challenges I have seen happen many times in the type of situation yojaehs put out there is that regardless of the # on the team, the smaller gym struggles to really have athletes at true level be on their true level team. They will accept being on a level 2 team at a bigger gym, but pitch a fit, threaten to quit, not be happy unless they are on a level 3 team at the smaller gym. If they quit/leave it truly affects your business so that is why IMO some smaller gyms make the concessions they do, then complain they are not competitive later. But if you select a division because of parental pressure it is not nor should it ever be blamed as an industry issue; it is a you issue.



I have seen many kids happy to nugget on a higher level team or the popular big gym that wins more than losing, then actually work on a team that is their true skill level that may not win as much. Being on a winning team takes precedence over them as individuals truly working for it. Of course I am not saying that does not happen at larger gyms too, just that when it happens at a smaller gym it potentially upsets so much more because you don't have the options to quickly fix it. It takes time to be able to fix it, but IMO after 5 years of business you need to be able to adjust and adapt better.

I have mad respect for people like BlueCat, yojaehs and KB_Legend because I know they have not always been where they are now and they are not totally without understanding or compassion of the struggles small gyms deal with. The struggles are real, but making excuses don't help. An old motivational quote holds true: Losers make Excuses; Winners make Adjustments.

Very well said!

 

[lakerfantlc]

Well for your particular example you see the second place team had two drops and a girl over rotate a 2 to double... I see the silver team did a 1.5 up and a full around, the bronze team did a full up, the silver team did 5 jumps to back, and the bronze team did 3, the silver team had more tumbling standing and running, the silver team had a faster moving routine, and a very intricate dance... And every time I have had a team compete at worlds the dance has always been a place where people can create separation... Off the top of my head I don't remember how deductions work at worlds specifically, but isn't it very possible that the second place team created enough of a scoring gap to still beat the third place team with the deductions?

Im going to take a guess here and assume this is a team I am close to....It doesn't happen often but if you look at the whole event....from day one the judges had a HUGE separation between first and second...and a huge separation between second and third....second had a rough finals but their routine on the whole was much harder....their huge separation was gone and they barely squeaked out second....the deductions fit perfectly for the opinion of the judges...and first place crushed everyone as well they should have....if it were all based on stunting...it would be called the stunt Worlds....seconds routine was a great routine and the judges opinion of that stayed true through the whole event....IMO

 

[AndrewSky]

Sometimes I just feel that if you put Team A and Team B both in all white uniforms, the results would be different. Just saying..lol

 

[LaideeJai]

It actually makes me mad that some companies do this. Whether it's for the money or just favoritism. If a company is going to give all first to that Team A with 20 teams, why even compete? It's happened to my team a few times in the last few years and it's annoying.

 

[KB_Legend]

Sometimes I just feel that if you put Team A and Team B both in all white uniforms, the results would be different. Just saying..lol

Why do you feel that way??

It actually makes me mad that some companies do this. Whether it's for the money or just favoritism. If a company is going to give all first to that Team A with 20 teams, why even compete? It's happened to my team a few times in the last few years and it's annoying.

So you're saying, at the competitions you go to, the gyms with the most teams get first place and don't deserve it?

 

[yojaehs]

It actually makes me mad that some companies do this. Whether it's for the money or just favoritism. If a company is going to give all first to that Team A with 20 teams, why even compete? It's happened to my team a few times in the last few years and it's annoying.

My gym has brought 10+ teams (usually the largest program in attendance) to most local events every year I've been here, we are yet (unfortunately) to sweep ANY competition.

 

[LaideeJai]

My gym has brought 10+ teams (usually the largest program in attendance) to most local events every year I've been here, we are yet (unfortunately) to sweep ANY competition.

Yeah, I see what you're saying. I'm not saying ALL competitions do it. Maybe in reality, it's just the way judges want to score. Maybe sometimes they're biased, maybe they're not.

 

[LaideeJai]

Why do you feel that way??



So you're saying, at the competitions you go to, the gyms with the most teams get first place and don't deserve it?

I'm not saying that at all. Someone earlier was talking about they feel like the companies are money hungry or something to that degree. Obviously gyms with a lot a teams are good. Or else their parents wouldn't pay thousands of dollars for them to cheer there.

 

[yojaehs]

Yeah, I see what you're saying. I'm not saying ALL competitions do it. Maybe in reality, it's just the way judges want to score. Maybe sometimes they're biased, maybe they're not.

I think the main point that KB_Legend and I are trying to make is to look deeper into the competition. Often times we immediately say "they only won bc of "X" when if you really step back and watch/compare the routines they won bc of "Y". I truly feel that MORE OFTEN than not it's bc they attacked the score sheet better, not always, but definitely MORE OFTEN than not.

 

[LaideeJai]

I think the main point that KB_Legend and I are trying to make is to look deeper into the competition. Often times we immediately say "they only won bc of "X" when if you really step back and watch/compare the routines they won bc of "Y". I truly feel that MORE OFTEN than not it's bc they attacked the score sheet better, not always, but definitely MORE OFTEN than not.

I mean yeah, I understand what you're saying. I'm not disagreeing with you at all.

 

[yojaehs]

I mean yeah, I understand what you're saying. I'm not disagreeing with you at all.

And I am saying I understand you, I'm just asking for you to prove it.

 

[lakerfantlc]

It actually makes me mad that some companies do this. Whether it's for the money or just favoritism. If a company is going to give all first to that Team A with 20 teams, why even compete? It's happened to my team a few times in the last few years and it's annoying.

you can't really think they just put a team in first because of their name???? If you feel that way....why cheer? Have you filmed and look at the routines? Break them down...study the score sheet...in most cases...the best teams wins...IMO We used to belong to a gym who sold kids that bill of goods...then we came to our gym now....my kids have NEVER worked and trained harder than they do now...and yes..we win...but they deserve it because they condition, change their diet, work at home, stretch etc....it is SO unfair to just assume that team A is winning because they are from a certain gym...you have no idea how hard those kids work....end rant...:)

 

[BlueCat]

It actually makes me mad that some companies do this. Whether it's for the money or just favoritism. If a company is going to give all first to that Team A with 20 teams, why even compete? It's happened to my team a few times in the last few years and it's annoying.

So, if it looks like a program is winning too many divisions, should the EP step in and drop a few of their teams down a spot or two to spread things around a little more?

 

[socratesofcheer]

So, if it looks like a program is winning too many divisions, should the EP step in and drop a few of their teams down a spot or two to spread things around a little more?

Yes!! That's the American err Obama Way. Everyone score the exact same because that's FAIR!