All-Star Punishments/sanctions

[xtremeteal4life]

Oh my...just for clarification my rant/vent did not involve CEA...my gripes are mostly within the state of Florida lol

FWIW, I actually knew that for some reason

 

[xtremeteal4life]

Finger pointing, the blame game, however you wanna slice it..... Cheating, skirting the rules, gray areas. Everyone knew it was wrong....all should be punished FULLY!

So you wouldn't go to World's then since they condoned cheating (and rewarded it w/the highest tying score)?

And you're the one skirting my question....hmmm?

 

[Mo-Lissa]

So you wouldn't go to World's then since they condoned cheating (and rewarded it w/the highest tying score)?

And you're the one skirting my question....hmmm?

Skirting what question, I replied to your post. Are you for teaching you child to cheat and as long as you don't got caught it is okay??? That is the real question here!!! Watch out your claws are showing!!!

 

[SarahS]

Would you guys still go to one of cheer's biggest events if it was the EP who approved/approves of cheating/gray area, etc?

Is your argument that the EP should be the only party punished, since they condoned the cheating?

Or that the EP and the gym that cheated both be punished?

Or that, if the EP can't be punished equally (in some way) to the gym, then the gym shouldn't be punished at all?

Just trying to understand your motivation for focusing on the actions of the EP rather than those of the gym.

 

[xtremeteal4life]

Skirting what question, I replied to your post. Are you for teaching you child to cheat and as long as you don't got caught it is okay??? That is the real question here!!! Watch out your claws are showing!!!

Settle down Beavis..no claws here (trust me-when they come out they tend to shut down whole thread for some reason :oops:)

And I apologize if you have actually answered my question and I haven't seen it..but I asked if you would attend the EP's event if they were involved-as you said they should be equally punished, but would you condone their behavior and still attend their comps. I never saw a reply to that unless my go-go gadget eyes are deceiving me. :p

 

[NJ Coach]

If a team isn't competing against anyone? And the EP gives permission? Does anyone care?

 

[xtremeteal4life]

Is your argument that the EP should be the only party punished, since they condoned the cheating?

Or that the EP and the gym that cheated both be punished?

Or that, if the EP can't be punished equally (in some way) to the gym, then the gym shouldn't be punished at all?

Just trying to understand your motivation for focusing on the actions of the EP rather than those of the gym.

It's none of them actually. My question lies here...everyone who complains about cheating (whether a gym or EP) all says, "off with their heads" and/or "the EP's shouldn't have so much power", "I wouldn't have my kid compete w/or AT a company who cheats", etc. So we know how people supposedly feel and what they would do.
My question is, do you really? Does that make any sense?

 

[MomOf2ThatsMe]

:enjoyshow:
Me thinks tonight is going to be a refresh-refresh-refresh night once the kids go to bed. Good think I took a late-afternoon sietsta.

 

[cheercurl]

I don't know the exact issue or circumstances. If they broke the rule...they will have to pay. But it does make a difference to me how it happened, who was involved and how it came about. It will effect how I still feel about the character and integrity of a gym and a person.

I got a ticket for running a red light...I paid it because I ran the red light, it was right there in the picture. What that picture didn't tell are the circumstances behind it. I pulled into the intersection as soon as it turned green directly behind another vehicle who decided he was going to make an illegal left turn. I was stuck behind him while he waited to make a left on a busy road he had no business making a left on. He got through right before the light changed red and I followed because I was in the middle of the intersection and had no choice. I may not made a good choice by moving to the middle of the intersection but I thought he was going to follow the rules too. All that picture showed was me running the red light.

Sometimes there are circumstances that you can't see or understand but that doesn't mean they aren't valid...it also doesn't mean that you get a free pass. You pay the consequence and traverse a little more carefully. So everyone take a step back before we start talking about a public stoning, flogging and expulsion from the USA. K? ;)

 

[Mo-Lissa]

Settle down Beavis..no claws here (trust me-when they come out they tend to shut down whole thread for some reason :oops:)

And I apologize if you have actually answered my question and I haven't seen it..but I asked if you would attend the EP's event if they were involved-as you said they should be equally punished, but would you condone their behavior and still attend their comps. I never saw a reply to that unless my go-go gadget eyes are deceiving me. :p

As a "mini" mom you share alot of opinions on here..... Don't appreciate the Beavis comment but you always seem to be on attack. Maybe you should read all my posts on this thread before you ream me. I said from the beginning....one of the first post on this thread everyone should be punished appropriately. If that means the cancel Worlds for your Bangkok cheat....so be it. We lived many years.....before your days in allstars without Worlds, with quite a few less headaches. Now answer my question...Do you teach your daughter to cheat as long as she doesn't get caught? Hmmmm....

 

[SarahS]

It's none of them actually. My question lies here...everyone who complains about cheating (whether a gym or EP) all says, "off with their heads" and/or "the EP's shouldn't have so much power", "I wouldn't have my kid compete w/or AT a company who cheats", etc. So we know how people supposedly feel and what they would do.
My question is, do you really? Does that make any sense?

Got it, yes, thanks for the clarification! I think it is a perfectly valid question. I think your comparison to Worlds is a murky one, however, because there isn't anything in the sport that is comparable. If you have a problem with, for example, NCA, you could always forego that competition and go to Cheersport, or vice versa, but with Worlds, that is the premier event of the sport. To answer your question, yes, if any other competition altered rules to favor one gym, then I would hope that my gym would not attend that competition in the future. Why would I want to attend a particular competition that admitted to cheating? I wouldn't.

 

[xtremeteal4life]

I think this post alludes to exactly what I stated in my previous post. It's about a "loved" big gym so now we bring extenuating circumstances and grey areas into play. Cheating is cheating. Just because the EP allows it doesn't mean it's ok. I highly doubt EP #1 approached gym owner #2 and said "Hey why don't you use an illegal crossover and I'll look the other way." and even if it was that scenario if Gym Owner #2 accepts the terms and goes with it they're just as much at fault and whether sever or not guilty of cheating. There should not be a grey area with cheating...you did or you did not. Just because someone oks it doesn't mean you didn't cheat. The person in question knew the rules and knew they were breaking them. If it truly was that the EP gave the go ahead, then they both are to blame. Gym owner looses their bid which in turn means they loose their worlds placement that year, and honestly the EP should loose their ability to give bids the following year. Is it a Glamourous option for the cheer world? No, many people will be affected and upset by it. However, you have to start somewhere and make it clear you're enforcing the rules or else why bother having the rules at all.

As a side note. All the talk I have heard so far leaves me with little hope for my previous post coming true. People are going to find a way to support those in question even if they're found guilty and punished. Also silence says a lot. If I were a gym owner and the integrity of my gym were in question, and I knew it was false, you wouldn't be able to shut me up. I'd be fighting tooth and nail to keep the integrity of my gym in tact.

How do you know this is not already the case? Just curious...

 

[Bystander]

just saw a pretty big mea culpa on FB explaining everything and to me it leaves both parties equally at fault! The EP for giving the ok and the gym for clearly accepting what they knew was against the rules! doesnt seem THAT huge but hey rules are rules!

 

[xtremeteal4life]

As a "mini" mom you share alot of opinions on here..... Don't appreciate the Beavis comment but you always seem to be on attack. Maybe you should read all my posts on this thread before you ream me. I said from the beginning....one of the first post on this thread everyone should be punished appropriately. If that means the cancel Worlds for your Bangkok cheat....so be it. We lived many years.....before your days in allstars without Worlds, with quite a few less headaches. Now answer my question...Do you teach your daughter to cheat as long as she doesn't get caught? Hmmmm....

Sarcasm...it's a fond trait of mine, I truly mean no harm-but I guess that depends on your sense of humor. I've had that saying for over 15 years...sorry if it bothered you. I wasn't trying to ream you. I simply wanted to know if you would attend a competition if you knew the EP had cheated..that's all (to which I'm still not clear on, but I guess that's my fault?)

To answer your question-No I do not teach her that-actually she'd be terrible at it even if I did bc she tells on herself all the time... When I hear, "mama, I'm not messing in your makeup"...I'm like "oh great, there goes my favorite powder". :confused:

Was the mini-mom thing suppose to mean anything? Not sure how that's relevant, but if you feel like it is, so be it I suppose. :cow:

 

[FamousMatty]

How do I know what is not the case? That the person in question isn't publicly attempting to clear their name? The only answer for that is that I, like most on this thread, do not know anything for certain, simply what we have heard. The person in question from what I have heard, is an active member on this board and has had no problem coming on here and defending their reputation previously. They have used this board before as a means to reach the cheer world to get things accomplished, so I obviously know this is a place to reach a majority of the cheer world. I have yet to see any attempt at that. Does that mean that nothing is happening? No, I'm not going to play like I know the undeniable truth.

This thread is reminding me of the whoadeedle thread, in the fact that their have been many easy ways of figuring out what's going on and who is in question. People could easily figure it out from a few posts on here but they're fishing for someone to spill the beans. Sadly my opinion of the person in question was already tarnished before this, and this will not help. The damage is already done from the little bit of info that has been leaked. I really think the only thing to do is to patiently sit and wait to see if and how the USASF chooses to deal with the situation.