All-Star Replacing Athletes With New Athletes...

[luv2cheer92]

I can only tell you our experience with travel baseball- not high school. There were 5-6 boys (a team of 11) or so who pitched and it could be anyone of them starting and we weren't told prior to the tournament who was in the line up to start. All the boys played other positions besides pitcher. You arrived an hour before game time and found out line up and warmed up then. And the batting line up while pretty set would change on occasion with no heads up.

The difference with this situation is its not a "you're pitching is off today so you can play shortstop and your teammate is gonna pitch" it's more "you're pitching is off so you aren't gonna play at all and this random person from some other team is gonna pitch instead"

Cheer is just so unique that you just can't compare the sub/alternate situation to really any other sport

 

[Ally13]

Replacing someone at the last minute in baseball/soccer/basketball is different to me because other people's lives aren't really at risk. If you switch pitchers or point guards at the last minute the worst thing that will likely happen is you lose. If you switch bases or flyers at the last minute, and the replacement isn't someone who has been regularly practicing the routine, then someone could be seriously injured. Just cant really compare the situations IMO

ETA: what @luv2cheer92 said

 

[Lablover]

The difference with this situation is its not a "you're pitching is off today so you can play shortstop and your teammate is gonna pitch" it's more "you're pitching is off so you aren't gonna play at all and this random person from some other team is gonna pitch instead"

Cheer is just so unique that you just can't compare the sub/alternate situation to really any other sport

I agree. I was simply replying to the comment about not knowing who was starting. My initial post about other sports was to highlight my opinion that communication between coaches and athletes is lacking in a lot of sports. Not just all star cheer.

 

[Keep_Believing]

@luv2cheer92 Agree Cheer is definitely unique!

 

[CheerBank]

So you show up on a field at game time with no idea who your starters are? None of the kids know who is playing? I have never heard of this in kids sports. I have heard of last minute changes to the line up being made, but the kid know it before the game starts.


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My 13 year old doesn't know who is starting at his soccer games until they get there.

 

[CoachTamara]

Many large gyms do not pay crossover fees that many other gyms pay at competitions.

 

[Pebbles49]

@Lablover , I kind of agree and disagree with your statements, when I played softball, during the stone age(lol) and I pitched, we practice during the week and even the day of the game, had warmups... The athletes kind of knew if they were going to pitch that day... Most teams have lineup changes and typically, pitchers will pitch alternate days to rest the arm, but probably play outfield on the days they are not pitching, like me, (usually rightfield) Rightfielders tend to get less gametime then the other outfielders...Plus, you are still on the team and win too, if the team wins anything.
PS:
But I said all of this to say, cheerleading is unique, because unfortunately, when you are replaced; you are not placed in other areas in the routine, you are pulled off the floor and if the team wins anything, you do not share in the spoils that the team wins, which happened to @justpeachy's daughter 3 times, that is unfair....

 

[Lablover]

@Lablover , I kind of agree and disagree with your statements, when I played softball, during the stone age(lol) and I pitched, we practice during the week and even the day of the game, had warmups... The athletes kind of knew if they were going to pitch that day... Most teams have lineup changes and typically, pitchers will pitch alternate days to rest the arm, but probably play outfield on the days they are not pitching, like me, (usually rightfield) Rightfielders tend to get less gametime then the other outfielders...Plus, you are still on the team and win too, if the team wins anything.
PS:
But I said all of this to say, cheerleading is unique, because unfortunately, when you are replaced; you are not placed in other areas in the routine, you are pulled off the floor and if the team wins anything, you do not share in the spoils that the team wins, which happened to @justpeachy's daughter 3 times, that is unfair....

I don't know anything about softball-- but travel baseball is played in weekend tournaments. There's usually 4+ games over Saturday and Sunday. And bigger tournaments spread over 3+ days and go into double digit games. So practice before a tournament all your pitchers practice because typically they all will be used at some point in the tournament. Youth baseball has stringent rules on number of innings that can be pitched and amount of rest required. You just don't know when or for how long. And as I mentioned previously, you found out if you were starting at warm ups before game; but when my son arrived at the field Saturday (or Friday) morning prior to warm ups for his first game he didn't know if he was the starting.
I'm going to bow out-- the thread has been derailed by travel baseball line up protocols-- which isn't that point of the thread. My apologies.

 

[UCFKnights07]

I am the team mom of the team this all happened on. I have for three days thought about how to reply/ respond on this post. I do not think anything positive can come from posting negative. What I will say is that I love all these kids with all my heart and things are not always as they appear. There are absolutely two sides to every story. I will tell you that the parent posting I considered a friend but at this point I am defending the team, program, and coach that I love. The previous post is not entirely accurate on the way things happened nor does it represent the way the said team or program is ran.
I have often had thoughts about the vast majority wanting/saying cheerleading is a sport (which I agree it is). The major difference I see in cheerleading than every other sport is the expectation to keep a child on the team not doing their job. In baseball if the pitcher is throwing balls, the athlete is pulled from the game. This sport should be no different. My CP was put on this team to tumble and if she could not do her job I would expect her to be pulled and be disappointed if she was not. It's a life lesson to do your job. This CP that the post is about was not yelled at or degraded/ demeaned. I sit in practices with the coaches and have witnessed first hand the encouragement of trying to get this CP back to doing standing tumbling. The CP had been doing running tumbling during practices but would get to comps and tumble on some teams and not others. This had happened at multiple comps this season. It can not be blamed on the coach as all the CP teams are coached by different coaches. And the tumbling issue happened randomly on different teams.
To address the multiple team issue....
The CP was put on 2 teams asked to be on the third and fussed until placed an a 4th team (which was a Worlds team) placement on that team was strictly to tumble. This worlds team also competed in Louisville on the same weekend that all the CP other teams competed in Atlanta. Hard to be at both those events at the same time which lead to having a fill in and eventually a replacement because the CP was not tumbling. To address all these athletes compete on all 4 of these teams. Absolutely not true. I only had this CP cross to the worlds team she was on. I had 5 cross to 1 of the teams she was on and 5 cross to the other. They were not the same 5.
There was a discussion with the CP on day one about not competing day two and the Coach had a conversation with the parent. I texted the parent because I was not aware that they were told. However, I would never walk away from being a team mom because of having to bear bad news to a parent or CP. I want to be there for both the parent and CP in any way possible. I am their biggest fan. Everyone here may have a completely different outlook on this but I love and nurture these kids and would give them anything. I want them to know at any point in their lives, if they need me I'm a phone call away. So with that said bad news does not bother me. Sometimes I feel like I can be a shoulder to cry on. If anyone here has any other questions I will try and answer them to the best of my ability but I will not answer if I feel like it will hurt the CP that was the focus of this feed.



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Just adding my two cents here. But why would coaches ask a team mom to do their dirty work of informing an athlete about being replaced... Or for that matter why would a team mom feel the need to be involved in the discussion of an athlete being replaced that is not their own.
I can't be the only one that finds that odd and slightly unprofessional.

 

[Pebbles49]

I'm going to bow out-- the thread has been derailed by travel baseball line up protocols-- which isn't that point of the thread. My apologies.

@Lablover, I am definitely not attacking you and I think the discussions of comparing other sports is a good thing and not derailing at all... All I think is happening, we are comparing how other sports handled similar situations. I think in other youth sports, (sans cheer) the replacement is not permanent and other options are available...Whereas, cheer does not provide other options and everything is so permanent...Why, the permanency in cheer? I will even accept a suspension, but a team mom??, walking up and telling you get off the mat! (Booo!!!)

 

[Keep_Believing]

I strongly dislike and disagree with how they handled the situation. If it would have been handled differently, she was removed from 1 of 4 teams. She still would have had 3 other teams to compete with.

 

[SL&AM]

Just adding my two cents here. But why would coaches ask a team mom to do their dirty work of informing an athlete about being replaced... Or for that matter why would a team mom feel the need to be involved in the discussion of an athlete being replaced that is not their own.
I can't be the only one that finds that odd and slightly unprofessional.

I am with you in thinking that this is a very odd practice. I know the gym in question is huge on the 'family' aspect, but not all families are healthy and this seems to add a very awkward element. In my situation with CP, the girl bullying my daughter was the child of the Team Mom. There was no way I could have approached her and expected her to play the role of team mom and her child's mom.

 

[Teacher Mom]

Just adding my two cents here. But why would coaches ask a team mom to do their dirty work of informing an athlete about being replaced... Or for that matter why would a team mom feel the need to be involved in the discussion of an athlete being replaced that is not their own.
I can't be the only one that finds that odd and slightly unprofessional.

Agreed. Team moms (or any mom or dad) should never be involved in conversations that are about children other than their own. I wouldn't do that as a teacher. It is totally unprofessional.

 

[BlueCat]

Many large gyms do not pay crossover fees that many other gyms pay at competitions.

We must be doing something wrong, because I'm pretty sure we pay the same crossover fees to event producers as everyone else. However, we don't have very many, so we haven 't paid close attention to that. (perhaps 1-2% of the program is on 2 teams and I can't recall anyone ever doing 3.)

 

[cheerguy1]

Just adding my two cents here. But why would coaches ask a team mom to do their dirty work of informing an athlete about being replaced... Or for that matter why would a team mom feel the need to be involved in the discussion of an athlete being replaced that is not their own.
I can't be the only one that finds that odd and slightly unprofessional.

Completely unprofessional, but again not unusual for this program.