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[kristenthegreat]

Oh, I see. Yes, they're obligated to give out paid bids - but I don't think they have to give as many as they're eligible for.

I just meant that the only downside realistically of less at large bids per paid bids is that EPs has less bids to advertise with. But at large bids don't actually pay for full paid bid teams like others have claimed.

For paid bids- you have to give what you're eligible for, but that doesn't stop you from giving MORE. You just can't give LESS. Hence those situations where they screw up on bids and magically give out extra to the proper teams.

ETA: Actually, in a weird way, those who end up on AL bids pay twice, in a way. They pay for the comp where they're hoping for a paid (and the money they pay goes to someone else's paid bid), AND when they sign up for Worlds. In a weird way, it's like paying twice. That sucks.

 

[Ashley]

For paid bids- you have to give what you're eligible for, but that doesn't stop you from giving MORE. You just can't give LESS. Hence those situations where they screw up on bids and magically give out extra to the proper teams.

ETA: Actually, in a weird way, those who end up on AL bids pay twice, in a way. They pay for the comp where they're hoping for a paid (and the money they pay goes to someone else's paid bid), AND when they sign up for Worlds. In a weird way, it's like paying twice. That sucks.

I don't think that's necessarily true. There have been cases where EPs have said (usually after a mistake) well we actually had enough athletes last year to give out another paid bid,so we're going to do that. But just because their numbers have grown enough to add another paid bid doesn't mean they have to. I don't think.

There might be a minimum (2 I think for tier 1) and they definitely can't give out less bids than they advertised, but I don't think that they have to give out as many as they're eligible for.

And I don't think it sucks. They're two different competitions with two different comp fees. Paid bid winners just get someone else to foot their bill.

 

[kristenthegreat]

I don't think that's necessarily true. There have been cases where EPs have said (usually after a mistake) well we actually had enough athletes last year to give out another paid bid,so we're going to do that. But just because their numbers have grown enough to add another paid bid doesn't mean they have to. I don't think.

There might be a minimum (2 I think for tier 1) and they definitely can't give out less bids than they advertised, but I don't think that they have to give out as many as they're eligible for.

And I don't think it sucks. They're two different competitions with two different comp fees. Paid bid winners just get someone else to foot their bill.

It's cause bids required are based on the previous years numbers.

So if Cheersport had (an example)- 500 teams last year which means 5 bids, they only have to give those 5 bids. If they want to give more based on increased numbers for the current year, they can. But if their numbers go down, they still have to give those 5 bids, as far as I'm aware. I think we're agreeing, just discussing wording lol.

 

[Ashley]

It's cause bids required are based on the previous years numbers.

So if Cheersport had (an example)- 500 teams last year which means 5 bids, they only have to give those 5 bids. If they want to give more based on increased numbers for the current year, they can. But if their numbers go down, they still have to give those 5 bids, as far as I'm aware. I think we're agreeing, just discussing wording lol.

I don't think we are agreeing. I know that bids are based on past year's number, but I don't think there's any requirement to give out as many bids as you're eligible for. This is all I can find online, but it says "may" not "must:"

US All Star Federation: MEMBERSHIP GUIDELINES

1. May award one fully "Paid" Worlds bid (up to a maximum of $650 per athlete times the number on the floor where bid was awarded, plus 2 coaches) at their "national championship" on the basis of one bid per 100 all star cheer teams at the same prior year competition. May round up to the nearest 100. Example: If an event producer had 122 all star teams participating at the same prior year competition, they may offer two fully paid bids. where the fully "Paid" bid(s) are awarded. Club Divisions and/or "International" divisions offered at their bid qualifying event.
2. May award two At Large bids for each fully paid bid at the same "national championship'
3. May award their approved "Paid" and "At Large" bids in any of The Cheerleading Worlds Club Divisions and/or "International" divisions offered at their bid qualifying event.

 

[ACEDAD]

It's cause bids required are based on the previous years numbers.

So if Cheersport had (an example)- 500 teams last year which means 5 bids, they only have to give those 5 bids. If they want to give more based on increased numbers for the current year, they can. But if their numbers go down, they still have to give those 5 bids, as far as I'm aware. I think we're agreeing, just discussing wording lol.

I don't think we are agreeing. I know that bids are based on past year's number, but I don't think there's any requirement to give out as many bids as you're eligible for. This is all I can find online, but it says "may" not "must:"

US All Star Federation: MEMBERSHIP GUIDELINES

1. May award one fully "Paid" Worlds bid (up to a maximum of $650 per athlete times the number on the floor where bid was awarded, plus 2 coaches) at their "national championship" on the basis of one bid per 100 all star cheer teams at the same prior year competition. May round up to the nearest 100. Example: If an event producer had 122 all star teams participating at the same prior year competition, they may offer two fully paid bids. where the fully "Paid" bid(s) are awarded. Club Divisions and/or "International" divisions offered at their bid qualifying event.
2. May award two At Large bids for each fully paid bid at the same "national championship'
3. May award their approved "Paid" and "At Large" bids in any of The Cheerleading Worlds Club Divisions and/or "International" divisions offered at their bid qualifying event.

Kristen is correct. An EP can go up if the current numbers allow it, but they can't give out less than the numbers from the prior year.

That was the whole issue with WCA before they went under.

 

[Ashley]

Kristen is correct. An EP can go up if the current numbers allow it, but they can't give out less than the numbers from the prior year.

That was the whole issue with WCA before they went under.

Right, but they don't *have* to go up if the numbers allow it? They can stay at last years numbers, even if they're eligible to go up?

 

[ACEDAD]

Right, but they don't *have* to go up if the numbers allow it? They can stay at last years numbers, even if they're eligible to go up?

Correct.

 

[MyNameIsConnorC]

Just casually looking at bid comps in Cali this season, and realized that GSSA Championships is going to be in Visalia instead of San Jose.... and all I can ask myself right now is "why?"
:confused::confused:

 

[MissCongeniality]

Just casually looking at bid comps in Cali this season, and realized that GSSA Championships is going to be in Visalia instead of San Jose.... and all I can ask myself right now is "why?"
:confused::confused:

I heard through the grapevine (so take it for what it's worth) that GSSA wants to move to LA but their "charter" only allows them to move a certain distance per year...hence Visalia this year.

 

[Ashley]

I heard through the grapevine (so take it for what it's worth) that GSSA wants to move to LA but their "charter" only allows them to move a certain distance per year...hence Visalia this year.

USASF rules allow you to move something like 200 miles per year without having to get approval from USASF for bids in a new location. Or something like that.

 

[MyNameIsConnorC]

I heard through the grapevine (so take it for what it's worth) that GSSA wants to move to LA but their "charter" only allows them to move a certain distance per year...hence Visalia this year.

And here I was thinking they made the move to be more centrally located.

Not that I'm complaining... I live in the Clovis/Fresno area so it'll only be a ~45 minute drive.

I just fear how the competition will turn out... Yes, GSSA has had Aloha competitions in the Visalia Convention Center (which is, by no means, a large center) before, but Championships are usually much larger than competitions such as Aloha.

 

[MissCongeniality]

And here I was thinking they made the move to be more centrally located.

Not that I'm complaining... I live in the Clovis/Fresno area so it'll only be a ~45 minute drive.

I just fear how the competition will turn out... Yes, GSSA has had Aloha competitions in the Visalia Convention Center (which is, by no means, a large center) before, but Championships are usually much larger than competitions such as Aloha.

I'm guessing it's just for this year. They'll be in LA next (maybe the venue they're using for Champions League?)

 

[Official OWECheer]

I heard through the grapevine (so take it for what it's worth) that GSSA wants to move to LA but their "charter" only allows them to move a certain distance per year...hence Visalia this year.

What is it w/ comps trying to move to LA? I know that Champions League is the only other comp to have don this so far, but I just don't get it. Is there more venue space there?

 

[cheernerd5678]

I don't think we are agreeing. I know that bids are based on past year's number, but I don't think there's any requirement to give out as many bids as you're eligible for. This is all I can find online, but it says "may" not "must:"

US All Star Federation: MEMBERSHIP GUIDELINES

1. May award one fully "Paid" Worlds bid (up to a maximum of $650 per athlete times the number on the floor where bid was awarded, plus 2 coaches) at their "national championship" on the basis of one bid per 100 all star cheer teams at the same prior year competition. May round up to the nearest 100. Example: If an event producer had 122 all star teams participating at the same prior year competition, they may offer two fully paid bids. where the fully "Paid" bid(s) are awarded. Club Divisions and/or "International" divisions offered at their bid qualifying event.
2. May award two At Large bids for each fully paid bid at the same "national championship'
3. May award their approved "Paid" and "At Large" bids in any of The Cheerleading Worlds Club Divisions and/or "International" divisions offered at their bid qualifying event.

.... So if you have 101 teams, you get two full paid bids to give out? That's interesting rounding...

 

[njallday]

I don't think we are agreeing. I know that bids are based on past year's number, but I don't think there's any requirement to give out as many bids as you're eligible for. This is all I can find online, but it says "may" not "must:"

US All Star Federation: MEMBERSHIP GUIDELINES

1. May award one fully "Paid" Worlds bid (up to a maximum of $650 per athlete times the number on the floor where bid was awarded, plus 2 coaches) at their "national championship" on the basis of one bid per 100 all star cheer teams at the same prior year competition. May round up to the nearest 100. Example: If an event producer had 122 all star teams participating at the same prior year competition, they may offer two fully paid bids. where the fully "Paid" bid(s) are awarded. Club Divisions and/or "International" divisions offered at their bid qualifying event.
2. May award two At Large bids for each fully paid bid at the same "national championship'
3. May award their approved "Paid" and "At Large" bids in any of The Cheerleading Worlds Club Divisions and/or "International" divisions offered at their bid qualifying event.

admittedly, i never read these guidelines before and always assumed there had to be some kind of restriction on handing out paid bids in international divisions since so few EP's do. i know senior 5 is the meat and potatoes of worlds divisions, but why would you not want the best team at your competition to represent you on a paid bid if there aren't any restrictions?

well i guess i know the answer already because you don't want to piss off the bulk attendees of your competition and not reward them for coming and giving you $$$.