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They were given to the coaches in those divisions and many were photographed and tweeted by Cheerlebrity.
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They were given to the coaches in those divisions and many were photographed and tweeted by Cheerlebrity.
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Those are two seperate competitions run by separate companies. They do not share anything. Some legalities are different.
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ICU/IASF - Same head office..No?
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But according to Les the Bangkok team was trying to remove the boys in warm-ups (odd time to be doing that as opposed to the day before, but I'll leave that alone), so obviously they had seen somewhere that they would need to alter the routine.
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While maybe in the same building, they follow seperate rules and are two separate companies. I was told that a few times this past weekend. What happens at ICU doesn't affect World's. Now, it is highly inconvenient that they both don't have the same limits. Especially if it sold as a package deal. In fact, I think a German girl who was 16 competed at ICU legally but.got disqualified at Worlds? Maybe same routine? But, there is no set standard in cheer, therefore not the same thing.
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Many Sports compete in many different Countries speaking many languages, the rules however are always enforced with the same effort, for the SAFETY of the participants! What happens when one team takes advantage of “loopholes” created by Officials interpreting the rules in any Internationally recognized SPORT, with a non-profit NGB (National Governing Board)? Would any other NGB support this type of offense to the detriment of all other participants due to any single judge or other Officials “interpretation of rules?”
At times one must wonder how the IASF, which has more than 50% of the Board of Directors filled by VB (Varsity Brands) company representatives, who is served by the Board of directors? Is growing VB Corporate income the primary task of the Board of Directors, or is the primary task offering Safe & consistent rule enforcement leading to recognition for accomplishments within the rules? Whom do you think was best served by allowing Bangkok to retain this title, the interest of VB business expansion, or selecting the best Squad consistent with current rules?
Interesting, … very interesting!
Can one realistically expect VB (Varsity Brands) to recant a title voluntarily when an International title is balanced upon the decision supported by valuable business expansion? Changes to CSULB's title was done voluntarily, VB onlyt acted upon directions from CSULB. Kudo's to CSULB Administration for acting honorably!
How would you rate VB's performance in the NCA title diuscussion?
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Yes they were and were posted all over the board and on twitter.
Not sure if you would know this answer or could even give it out, but do they plan on releasing these scores? Because coaches from this division never got their scores. There are twitters from people who still do not know what their score was and they competed in the division.
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I don't know. I'll probably talk to a couple people in the office next week and ask.
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..While I in some ways could possibly agree with the spirit of your post, there are some things that just hurt my soul:
*Tumbling- I can't speak for every country, but comparing gymnasts in the Olympics to being able to learn to tumble for cheer is, to me, like apples and oranges. It seems very naive to assume that just because someone has a gymnastics gym somewhere in their country, that they will be churning out level 5 tumbling right from the get-go. Isn't that why WE OURSELVES created 4.2? Senior restricted 5? How many posts are on here about athletes who excel at stunting but struggle with tumbling? How many posts are by people ranting and raving at sub-standard coaches trying to push kids into stuff they're not ready for? We don't know WHAT sort of coaching is available/they can afford..plus the majority of the int'l kids are older, coming from MUCH smaller countries than ours. And we invented 4.2 for people JUST LIKE THEM. Are they vastly improving? Sure. But who's the closest to us? Canada. And they're a larger country with easier access to what we offer cheer-wise. When's the last time you saw a UK, Irish, or South African Olympic gymnastics team? (No offense to any of those people- I love and respect all of you, as you know :)).
*Stunting- An area that I'd say they're catching up to us the fastest. Why? Because for MANY people (and lots of us on here can attest to): it's easier to learn to stunt and stunt well than tumble. You're also, however, suggesting they just teach themselves. Which may not be bad for an elevator, but can cause bad technique and injuries when we're going for the harder stuff like full-ups. Especially if they don't have a good mat to fall on if they aren't sturdy.
*Jumps- Fair enough. Although technique like Rays and SOT is clearly a special brand of something..
*Dance- You clearly didn't look at the Large Senior scores. Just 'cause you can 'dance', doesn't mean it scores well. They can dance, I'm sure. But choreo (which again, either costs some cash/requires someone who knows what they're doing OR taking choreo from another team, which is frown upon here) isn't all that simple, or their wouldn't have been a 4-pt dance spread between the top 3 teams..
*Coaches- Good coaches are hard to come by in AMERICA, plain and simple. This is improving, I'm sure. But I don't wanna know how many bad coaches exist elsewhere, we've got plenty enough here as is.
My point being: It's very easy to brush it off and say, 'Well, WE developed this sport ourselves so you should just be able to teach yourselves as well!' But this is NOWHERE NEAR comparable to soccer in the sense that the rules/skills for soccer are very simple. Pass, run, score, defend. WAY more people can kick a ball than throw a decent tuck jump. Now the intricacies and technique require mastery, but even if we're not the best at soccer, we still teach it to our 5 year olds. Until other countries (besides Canada) are getting the mass numbers enrolled in cheer at a young age like we are, it's pretty arrogant (in my opinion) to just say 'Learn it or deal.' As many of them have said: They know they're not perfectly on par with us skill-wise, and they're ok with that. They're happy to learn and grow, which they do by watching us and drawing up interest in their own countries by talking about Worlds. But I think we often take for granted the ease of access to facilities and equipment. It may not be the be-all-end-all, but MAN does it make a difference. You ever try to teach yourself a back handspring on the grass? No? I ended up nearly snapping my neck. Don't suggest it.
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@ACEDAD, I see you finally got CEA's day 2 video posted, could you do the same with Gymtyme Pinks day 2 video. I keep hearing how incredible they were, would really like to see for myself! Thanks!
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All I can do is ask. I can't remember: are they IO5 or 6?
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Thank you very much. I think that if the breakdowns are released it may answer a few questions about if the deductions were given.
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All H*** would have broken loose!
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