All-Star Too Small A Venue

[Mom Jeans]

USASF said they were addressing the issues at the All Star Resort, I'd like to know if they are addressing the issue of the venue (s) being too small. Everyone that buys a ticket deserves a seat. Im still amazed about no seating for the disabled at least I didnt see any and thats a huge problem for me.

The crowds will not be any smaller next year

 

[RaRaMama]

I've read on Twitter and on USASF FB page (comments, not by USASF themselves) that Worlds has moved for 2013. The only response I've seen from USASF is "venue details to be released once we have them". Anyone else heard this? I'm about to scream, I just booked a RCI condo for Worlds week next year at Disney...and can't exchange/refund it. Looks like my trip to Worlds might just be a trip to Disney :banghead:

 

[Babs]

I can't imagine why Disney would want to hold a company to a venue contract when it is obvious to both parties that the Disney venue doesn't have the appropriate capacity for the event.

 

[theoneandonly]

I've read on Twitter and on USASF FB page (comments, not by USASF themselves) that Worlds has moved for 2013. The only response I've seen from USASF is "venue details to be released once we have them". Anyone else heard this? I'm about to scream, I just booked a RCI condo for Worlds week next year at Disney...and can't exchange/refund it. Looks like my trip to Worlds might just be a trip to Disney :banghead:

I would bet it will still be in Orlando...

 

[RaRaMama]

I would bet it will still be in Orlando...

Sweet baby Jesus, let's hope so!

 

[12stepCheermom]

I got a chuckle out of those comments, too. I think most of them come from kids or young adults who don't have children of their own. I can't even begin to imagine what my soon-to-be 12-year-old would look like if she had to do her own hair and make-up for a competition. They would probably kick us out of the venue, slap a red nose on her, and send us to Barnum & Bailey.

And even funnier- the thought of me telling our coach, "Make sure you have her hair and make-up done before she leaves the room." I'm sure that would go over well.

Lemme tell ya....I absolutely adore Ashley Bagwell she is one of the premier coaches in the industry if you ask me. She's like 22, blond, looks like she 18 and the sweetest thing ever.......but she's got these flashy BLUE eyes when things are going awry that scare me. There's a blue eyed cheer coach behind that sweet demeanor and I might outweigh her by like ... A lot....but if I ever dropped my kid off NOT ready and told her I expected her to do it in the midst of her 12 teams at a competition. I would run for my life! I am darn sure theres an opinionated cheer coach behind those eyes that I do NOT want to meet, and telling her to do my kids hair on competition day might be the fastest way to meet her.

No thanks

And your daughter and mine could rival each other for scariest hair and makeup I'm sure. She decided to put some make up on for our banquet this weekend...she has dark circles under her eyes like all the time. So she decided to work on that and used foundation...with an eye shadow brush....she really just needed to put on that black stuff football players use under their eyes. I just washed her face and we had yet another lesson in make up.

It's the 12 year olds that ARE make up experts that worry me....why would any kid need to know how to do that (outside of a cheer competition and that's not standard make up) at that age?!

 

[tucknduck]

Well thats not what the USASF's rules are. Not saying you have to agree with them, but thats what they are.

I understand that but it makes no sense to even have a junior division if young kids can cheer on the senior teams.

 

[CGAcheer]

I understand that but it makes no sense to even have a junior division if young kids can cheer on the senior teams.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you're not a coach or at least have never been in the room when the coaches are trying to put together rosters after tryouts

 

[tucknduck]

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you're not a coach or at least have never been in the room when the coaches are trying to put together rosters after tryouts

I played and coached baseball where age restrictions were enforced until they got to high school. Once they got in high school, then the top players made varsity. And even in baseball, a 14 yr old freshman has very little in common with an 18 yr old senior and you could also see the difference physically on the ballfield. In rare instances, you might get that manchild who physically can handle the varsity level as a freshman but the mental side is always in question which can affect play on the field. This is why you have junior varsity teams. For the younger players to develop.

I'm no expert in the selecting of of a cheer team by any strecth but what my eyes see when I see a little kid on a senior team is a kid out of place.

What I assume when I see 12 yr olds on senior teams is the gyms are small and are scrambling to put a senior team together and if a 12 yr old has the skills to compete at the level of the senior team and they need kids, then that's where they'll be placed. However, If you have junior teams, that's where they should be but I suppose it depends on the number of kids, the available skills from these kids and their age.

 

[AScheer]

I was wondering about this. I travel to the NY area on business and hotels are very high-priced relative to other areas of the country. Even with our significant corporate discount we pay over $225/night for an medium quality hotel. Does that pricing model apply to the entire metro area?

Agree. I've been to NYC a couple of times and paid over $500 / night a room both times, and it was standard normal hotels, not luxury ones. Even with a group rate the rooms would be far more expensive then pretty much anywhere else in the country!

 

[CGAcheer]

I played and coached baseball where age restrictions were enforced until they got to high school. Once they got in high school, then the top players made varsity. And even in baseball, a 14 yr old freshman has very little in common with an 18 yr old senior and you could also see the difference physically on the ballfield. In rare instances, you might get that manchild who physically can handle the varsity level as a freshman but the mental side is always in question which can affect play on the field. This is why you have junior varsity teams. For the younger players to develop.

I'm no expert in the selecting of of a cheer team by any strecth but what my eyes see when I see a little kid on a senior team is a kid out of place.

What I assume when I see 12 yr olds on senior teams is the gyms are small and are scrambling to put a senior team together and if a 12 yr old has the skills to compete at the level of the senior team and they need kids, then that's where they'll be placed. However, If you have junior teams, that's where they should be but I suppose it depends on the number of kids, the available skills from these kids and their age.

My last post probably came off a bit rude. Just using my gym for example, Last year we had a total of 8 kids who were too old to be Jr. This year we have 25 who are too old to be Jr, but who range in skills from 1 to 5. We would be unable to make any decent teams at all unless we did Sr 1 or 2, but what kid with layouts or fulls is going to be happy on a level 1 or 2 team?

also it is unlikely that there is one 12 year old on a team full of 18 year olds(which probably wouldn't go well) but the ages are spread like a bell curve among the entire age range.

but there are gyms who have put the random super talented 6 year old on a sr team, in which case they do tend to look out of place

 

[AScheer]

I personally love keeping worlds at Disney. It's just worlds to me, or maybe I don't like change, but I think Disney could work if done right. Some things have been said before but I agree with them so I'm suggesting them again.

1. Keep Friday prelims. It made it more prestigious to get through the rounds. Adding another day would just add more expenses and cause kids to miss even more school. If you run teams on Thursdays then a lot of teams will get there Tuesday. It would get expensive quick if you're going to be there 6 or 7 days!

2. Separate Awards Arena. Cheersport, Athletic, etc have figured this out, why not USASF? Why not have a separate awards only arena. It will help keep people moving and will clear out some from the performance arenas.

3. UCA put up the Varsity Arena on the field this year for another location right next to the others. I didn't love the arena, but it was nice enough. They could take it a step further and do the big blow up ones that football teams practice in. This could become the awards only arena on Sunday.

4. Move the judges in the Milkhouse. The majority of the seats behind them are wasted and unusable. Who wants to sit in a seat where they can only see the back of the judges stand. Lower them, move them forward, something, but utilize those wasted seats and make them good.

5. Use the baseball field! Put something down to cover the field, then put up a huge stage, lighting, etc. You can fill all the seats (upper and lower decks) and you could even let people sit on the field in front of the stage. I know its hot, but there are a lot of outdoor comps in Florida, and they work fine. Some stages have the ability to have a thing over them to block sun, so that could be an option. Put up a tent in the outfield behind the stage and thats where you can run warm-ups for this stage.

6. Priority seating in the milkhouse and make it only for the gym only, not fans. One way to keep it organized and moving would be to have a "on deck" priority section. Maybe these are the bad seats behind the judges or maybe out in the halls somewhere. Everyone wanting to sit in priority has to go to the on deck area a team before their own. During that team they may not be able to see, but they'll be guaranteed to see their own kids perform, or maybe there could be a screen showing what they are missing while waiting in priority. When its their turn the group is escorted to the priority section and don't let people just jump in. If they weren't their waiting on deck, then they don't get to go to priority. When the team is done they are escorted out another way and the following group comes in. It may help keep fans out since they will essentially have to miss three teams in order to sit priority for one. It will also keep seats moving if people are getting up to go to priority constantly.

 

[ntlgnt1]

ntlgnt1 said.... The fact is PARENTS should have priority! We as parents pay a lot of money for our kids to cheer...unrelated spectators pay???? For ONE TRIP! Let's not forget, if we didn't pay tuition for our kids to cheer there would be NO WORLDS! Whether thousands of spectators show up or one....The parents are there to support thier CPs all year round, not just for Worlds! Now if spectators would like to start making donations to the CPs to cheer, then I would take your complaints about parents not getting preference more seriously!

I say.....no need to get your nickers in a twist and no need for the CAP letters. Just because it was my 1st trip to Worlds doesnt mean its my 1st Rodeo. I've been in Allstar for years and been to Dallas, Atlanta, DC, Indy, etc. There seems to always be some type of seating problem. And it didn't take a rocket scientist to know there would be a major problem Sunday. Parents should get priority seating (I never said they shouldn't) but we knew that wasn't going to be the case. I have been in similar situations where I have gotten other girls ready so their moms could get us seats and visa versa. People just have to put their heads together and try to figure it out. Sometimes it works. Sometimes, it sucks. There is a saying my grandmother use to say....."If you want to do something, you find a way. If not, you find an excuse." Have a blessed day

Don't make assumptions and don't take anything on here personally! I don't! You stay blessed as well,

 

[wcdad]

bump

 

[mstealtoyou]

By moving divisions into Hollywood and Epcot, you lost me as a spectator by adding another couple of $200 to the cost of admission. Heck have Barnum & Bailey pitch a circus tent on the baseball field.

ufomom They didn't move into Hollywood and Epcot but they did jack the price $200. Did you know you're psychic?